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Offline sniper1

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2013, 06:03:22 PM »
I'm committed to getting this sorted out. If I have to send TT plane tickets and put him up for a few days with all the beer he can handle, I will.

I'll save the brake squealing and headlight dimming issues I'm having for another thread, once this is fixed.

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2013, 06:44:55 PM »
You really think those plugs look OK? They all seem pretty sooty to me. I'll pull 'me again this weekend and take some profile shots.

You know its the insulators you are looking at right?  They look white with some deposits- its hard to see from your picture. Compare them to the spark plugs found on dansmc.com

I recently had some hesitation from closed til about 1/8 throttle that I think I finally fixed.  I ended up pulling my carbs 3 or 4 times in the process

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2013, 10:52:57 PM »
Looking forward to seeing the results from you guys

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2013, 03:26:14 PM »
Ok, we seem to have lost everyone on this thread.

TT, I tried the throttle and tape thing. It doesn't really matter where I'm at when I roll on. It is somewhat intermittent also. If I have accelerated up to a certain speed and maintain constant throttle position, when I roll on the throttle, it sometimes will not delay and just pick up speed. However, if I roll off the throttle, even a bit, and then go to accelerate again, the delay happens again. It feels almost like I'm slipping the clutch.

It definitely is worse when the engine is warm. I hardly notice it when first starting out. I checked the valves and timing, and all is good.

Any suggestions? I'm thinking something with the carbs, but not sure where to start.

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2013, 04:34:04 PM »
You didnt lose us, we were simply waiting for you to try our suggestions and report back

You say it feels like slipping the clutch..is it possible that you are?  You would see rpms climb but no acceleration.  Does your clutch cable have some play?  Hesitation due to carb problems would not see rpm rise until you accelerate

I would follow TT's suggestion suggesting you explore why your deposits are different between the plugs.  I would take the carbs off and examine all the jets and make 100% everything is clear and set stock

I had an annoying hesitation recently that I only fixed after having the carbs off at least 3 or 4 times

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2013, 05:55:35 PM »
How old is the air filter?

Have each carb's two emulsion tubes been cleaned?

Vacuum sync performed?
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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2013, 06:15:19 PM »
How old is the air filter?

Have each carb's two emulsion tubes been cleaned?

Vacuum sync performed?

Air filter is new and installed last fall. Still looks good.

Emulsion tubes cleaned when carbs were rebuilt.

Vacuum synch completed this winter.

I think I'll pull the carbs and take a look around as soon a I get some time.

Clutch cable seems just fine.

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2013, 07:05:56 PM »
Air filter is new and installed last fall. Still looks good.

Emulsion tubes cleaned when carbs were rebuilt.

Vacuum synch completed this winter.

I think I'll pull the carbs and take a look around as soon a I get some time.

Clutch cable seems just fine.

When you rebuilt the carbs did you use aftermarket jets from a carb kit or the original jets?

Let us know how it goes when you pull the carbs

Here is my recent thread about the (possibly similar) hesitation I had
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=121279
Maybe some of the suggestions people had will help you

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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2013, 10:50:12 PM »
Air filter is new and installed last fall. Still looks good.
I've found I can't tell a clear filter from a restricted one by simply looking at it.  Honda recommends the paper filter be cleaned at 3000mi./6 mo intervals and replaced at 6000mi./12 month intervals.  When I stretched the paper air filter use in my 550, the plugs got sooty much faster.  I eventually switched to the Uni Nu-4055, simply because of the economics.

As a test, clean or replace the plugs, remove the filter temporarily to see if the problem persists, or improves.

Emulsion tubes cleaned when carbs were rebuilt.

Vacuum synch completed this winter.
I think I asked this before, but is the current malady a recent development, or a continuation of problems since the last tune-up/carb rebuild, or maintenance cycle.

I'll just say that since the bike generally runs but has a small annoying condition, it is likely the bike's issue is in some smaller detail.
Not simply trying to be a stickler, but I asked if both emulsion tubes in each carb were cleaned.  Your response made it unclear if all eight were cleaned, which may or may not be what your assumption of "all" included.

You say vacuum sync performed last winter.  Not relayed, is if the current annoyance was present last winter or developed recently, possibly with a slippage of the vacuum synch adjustment.

Personally, I find that when the engine behaves badly the first thing I do is is address (check or adjust) ALL the 3K tune up items.  Usually, this corrects bad behavior.  But if it doesn't, I know it is not a routine correction but, something certain out of whack elsewhere.

One method of troubleshooting, is to isolate items from the "unknown" to the "known good" category.  The assumption is that if all components of the system are in the "known good" category, you have a properly functioning machine.
If your check list tallies all items as "known good" components and your machine DOESN'T behave as it should.  There was a mistake in claiming one of the components as "known good".

Personally, I don't want to dismantle carbs, only to find out one of the 3K tune up items was amiss, or the vacuum sync adjusters had drifted.

Anyway I can only advise, you have to do the work.
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Re: '75 CB550 Roll-on delay
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2013, 10:25:01 PM »
Sniper, I've got the same issue. 74 550K. Runs awesome cold. Have to know how to ride it hot :-\. Don't worry TT, you don't have to help all three of us at once! I'll wait my turn :D.

Sniper, I've got 38 pilots. 100 mains. Stock needle setting. Carbs synced. Emulsifiers cleaned. Floats 22mm. Timing set. Stock air box with a foam 'some brand' air cleaner. Buying a stock one in the next few days. Pilot screws 1 1/2 out. New NGKs fixed it my first couple rides last week, but it's back. I've got tape on the grip right now, and I'm going to get OCD with my statistics before I hit TT and Lucky!

Please keep us posted. There's 3 of us on this page alone! Imagine how many we could help!


OCD is an advantage when dealing with carbs.

Do not forget the check the advance mechanism to make sure it is not all rusty.
Sometimes it is better to go too far than not far enough.
Move that needle clip down to the last notch  and just see what happens.
Only one change at a time. Don't change the air filter to stock, then change the needle clip position at the same time.

Just one thing at a time.
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