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Offline Jim Harris

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Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« on: June 23, 2013, 01:35:15 PM »
Background:
I've been experimenting trying to use ethanol free gas, which hasn't been easy. I even found an app for my iphone called Pure Gas that locates the gas stations that have ethanol free available, mostly boat marinas in my area. I've been trying several different brands of ethanol free gas over the last few weeks with mixed results. My bike seems to run best with a  lower octane rating of 86 or 87. It runs terrible at 92 octane, backfiring and fouling plugs; unfortunately only 1 out of 10 gas stations that carry ethanol free gas within 25 miles of me sells 86 octane none ethanol, so I'm limited to buying from just one place.
Question:
I've heard the horror stories about gas with ethanol gelling up after it sits for a while and clogging carburetor jets, but is it really a fatal problem using 86 octane regular gas if I use it up and refill with fresh gas a couple of time a week?
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 01:54:34 PM »
You guys must have some real weird gasoline overthere (as a matter of fact American gaz has a bad name overhere and my personal experiences weren't good either).
Then this: I've never heard of our type of bikes running worse on higher octane. Not ever, never. It's only in this forum I read this from time to time. Although our bikes can run on 91 RON no prob, most overhere used to tank 'super' as advised by Honda (both importer and dealers). Back then mechanics who worked on SOHC Fours (and owned them!) always advised to tank 'super'. I don't know where this comes from that our engines would run worse on higher octane, but... well overhere it's crap. If there's a difference, it is academic and never would you notice it. There must be another reason. Sort it out and stop spreading myths.
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 02:04:05 PM »
The regular unleaded fuel in the UK is 95 Ron. I don't have any problems.

In the UK, the most common petrol types are:

    unleaded fuel

    Ordinary unleaded – 95 RON

    Super unleaded – 98 RON
    4 star fuel

    Leaded Four Star – 98 RON
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 02:24:37 PM »
In Statesville.......just a few miles up the road from you.....I buy 92 non ethanol at a local store which provides it for the lawn care people.  I believe they sell more of it to motorcyclists than anyone.  My K5 runs much better on it than the local Shell, Sheets, BP ect.  Mileage seems to be close to the same but off idle throttle response (bog or lag) is improved and I noticed an immediate improvement in overall throttle response.  I have quit running the other local brands except when I have too.  I have not tried a lower octane non ethanol.  I don't think it matters if your bike doesn't set without running.  I ran the Shell blend ethanol for the past several years in both of my K's without noticing any gel.  I have cleaned the idle jets out multiple times on both but I attribute that to the overall poor condition of the carb internals when the bikes were rescued.  It seems that no matter how clean you get them there is always some residual trash that shows up.  It doesn't take much to clog up the idle jets.

I have seen a quick degradation with ethanol fuel mixed for two stroke equipment.  I try not to let that gas hang around for more than a month.
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 02:59:23 PM »
Thanks Bootlegger56!
I'll try that station the next time I'm in Statesville. 
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 03:25:19 PM »
Thanks Bootlegger56!
I'll try that station the next time I'm in Statesville.

I found a station in Garner thats 85 non-ethanol but I can't say I saw a bit of difference.

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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 05:37:44 PM »
I-40 West, 115 South (2nd exit off 77), 1/2 mile on right.  I think it has Marathon for a brand.  Independently owned so they close @ 5PM and don't open on Sunday.  Stop in at Sheets for a cup of coffee (same exit).  Locals hang out there nights. 
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 06:01:49 PM »
ethanol fuel is really hard on diaphragm  carbs...like 2 cycle engines, some car/motor cycle engines with accelerator pumps and some small engines.

Ethanol will kill 2 cycle engines because of ethanol separation, the alcohol and oil like to separate, causing the engine to run as if there was no oil at all.

Ethanol will break down and leave behind a really nasty thick film of varnish which is bad for the consumer but VERY good for people like me who make their living off of servicing carbs for auto/motorcycles and repairs to outdoor power equipment.

Ethanol draws moisture from the air, not good in humid climates, and will deposit said water in your fuel system. This can rust tanks and ruin carbs.

This doesn't even touch the fact that the demand ethanol fuels put on the corn industry which drives up the price on our food and even dog foods or the fact that it puts even more of a strain corn cops which puts MORE fertilizers/insecticides on crops which all ends up in our oceans.  All this for a fuel that is harder on our fuel systems and is less efficient than pure gasoline. 

I'm not a fan of it. 

I don't like using it in anything i own. 

   
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 06:20:36 PM »
And your government wants more ethanol in our gas
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2013, 06:26:25 PM »
If you're worried about your gas gelling up, you're either not riding enough, or your winterization techniques need to be revisited   ;D
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2013, 06:29:47 PM »
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Ethanol will kill 2 cycle engines because of ethanol separation, the alcohol and oil like to separate, causing the engine to run as if there was no oil at all.

I'm not a fan of ethanol but have a little two stroke Toro snowblower that has seen only one service visit in 16 years to replace paddle blades and the primer bulb that I ripped.  Sits all summer and fall with leftover fuel from the previous season. Still starts and runs like a champ.
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2013, 06:38:51 PM »
Been running non-ethanol 87 regular in the bikes for a few years now. but the gas  station is on the other side of town. So this year I have been trying the no ethanol 91 or 92 at a station close to my house. I have had no issues and have run many tanks through. Still runs like a CB750K should...
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2013, 07:59:56 PM »
I run non ethanol hi test in all my bikes when possible, because high test is usually all that is available in non ethanol. Never noticed any problem.
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2013, 09:34:19 PM »
Background:
I've been experimenting trying to use ethanol free gas, which hasn't been easy. I even found an app for my iphone called Pure Gas that locates the gas stations that have ethanol free available, mostly boat marinas in my area. I've been trying several different brands of ethanol free gas over the last few weeks with mixed results. My bike seems to run best with a  lower octane rating of 86 or 87. It runs terrible at 92 octane, backfiring and fouling plugs; unfortunately only 1 out of 10 gas stations that carry ethanol free gas within 25 miles of me sells 86 octane none ethanol, so I'm limited to buying from just one place.
Question:
I've heard the horror stories about gas with ethanol gelling up after it sits for a while and clogging carburetor jets, but is it really a fatal problem using 86 octane regular gas if I use it up and refill with fresh gas a couple of time a week?
Thanks!

Is your bike the K0 in your avatar? Those are a little unique, compared to the later 750. They had very richly-jetted carbs, if the whole setup is stock and you have HM300 pipes. A note about the pipes: if you have a sandcast or VERY early 1970 K0 with the HM300 original pipes, the mainjet may be #120 and the needles may be in the center notch in the carbs. But, if the pipes are NOT original, and are still HM300 pipes, the mainjet should be #115 and the needles should have their clips in the 2nd slot from the top (blunt end) or you will have plug fouling issues galore. The later HM300 pipes are more restrictive than the earliest ones (and even those had fouling issues).

If you have HM341 pipes, the jetting must be changed. This number depends on your airbox: if you have one of the few remaining OEM K0 airboxes with the huge inlet slots and these pipes, the mainjet should be #110 and the needles should be in the 2nd slot, which is the 4th groove from the blunt end. If you have a K1 airbox, the needles should be in the center slot with the #110 mainjet. If you have a K2-K4 airbox, the mainjet should be #105 and the slot should be #4 for the needles.

All of these tunings are for running premium gas.

If you'd like to run on less octane, you should richen things up slightly: for most folks this consists of just raising the needles one notch from the above ratings, or else increasing the mainjet by either a 2.5 or 5 size from the above ratings. With today's ethanol-laced, slow-burning, self-cleaning, unleaded, nitrogen-enhanced, EPA-approved (and tinkered) fuels, these new Keihin "half-step" jets are proving to be very helpful... :/

The shorthand version: today's ethanol-laced, midgrade gas burns at the same rate as 1960s premium (i.e., slowly). This is why the midgrade gas is here today. Today's premium burns VERY slowly, suitable for engines with compression ratios in the 11:1 ranges. That's not your SOHC4 engine. Yours was designed to use leaded, 95 octane GASOLINE, which lubricated the valve stems (instead of stripping them of lube, like ethanol solvents do) and upper piston rings. So, if you have too much octane, it results in leftover unburned fuel in the chamber during overlap (when both valves are momentarily open at the same time, between intake and exhaust strokes), which ignites from the waste spark of the Ignition system and causes a burn-back into the intake tract at low speeds. This disrupts the incoming flow (like blowing into a straw) for the next cycle, and the engine stumbles. Then, when you pass about 1500 RPM it smoothes back out. (Sound familiar?) ;)
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2013, 09:45:53 PM »
So, Hondaman, do you feel the trade-off is worth it, running higher than necessary octane to escape the ethanol?
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2013, 10:16:07 PM »
Phase separation is a big problem with ethanol as well, it can be caused by moisture being absorbed from the atmosphere or by low temperatures, the ethanol separates from the fuel rendering the fuel useless because most of the octane rating in ethanol fuels comes from the ethanol itself, once it separates in the fuel it basically renders it useless. Depending on the circumstances, the fuel does not have to be in the tank long for this to happen....  Google Phase separation in ethanol fuels and have a read..
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2013, 04:36:34 AM »
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Ethanol draws moisture from the air, not good in humid climates, and will deposit said water in your fuel system. This can rust tanks and ruin carbs.
The truth is that ethanol absorbs water and it does this very well. It binds it. Gaz without ethanol does not bind water and will eventually cause more oxidation as the water sinks to the bottom of your tank.

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If you're worried about your gas gelling up, you're either not riding enough, or your winterization techniques need to be revisited   ;D
+1.
Best experience I personally have is leaving the carbs 'wet' and drain the floatchambers once say every two months. You can pour that back in the tank and open the petcock temporarily to fill the floatchambers again. Ofcourse your tank is filled to the top prior to hibernation.

For those that can read German here is a ten page document where Aral, one of Germans leading gaz companies adresses all the myths about E10 gaz. http://amicale-citroen.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011.parlamentskreis-automobiles-kulturgut.20110704.aral-e10-ethanolkraftstoffe.pdf Very interesting. But ofcourse there remains the possibility American ethanol gaz is different.

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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2013, 10:17:51 AM »
First of all, Great title! Second, Maybe we should all just switch to lpg.
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2013, 02:02:19 PM »
Background:
I've been experimenting trying to use ethanol free gas, which hasn't been easy. I even found an app for my iphone called Pure Gas that locates the gas stations that have ethanol free available, mostly boat marinas in my area. I've been trying several different brands of ethanol free gas over the last few weeks with mixed results. My bike seems to run best with a  lower octane rating of 86 or 87. It runs terrible at 92 octane, backfiring and fouling plugs; unfortunately only 1 out of 10 gas stations that carry ethanol free gas within 25 miles of me sells 86 octane none ethanol, so I'm limited to buying from just one place.
Question:
I've heard the horror stories about gas with ethanol gelling up after it sits for a while and clogging carburetor jets, but is it really a fatal problem using 86 octane regular gas if I use it up and refill with fresh gas a couple of time a week?
Thanks!

Is your bike the K0 in your avatar? Those are a little unique, compared to the later 750. They had very richly-jetted carbs, if the whole setup is stock and you have HM300 pipes. A note about the pipes: if you have a sandcast or VERY early 1970 K0 with the HM300 original pipes, the mainjet may be #120 and the needles may be in the center notch in the carbs. But, if the pipes are NOT original, and are still HM300 pipes, the mainjet should be #115 and the needles should have their clips in the 2nd slot from the top (blunt end) or you will have plug fouling issues galore. The later HM300 pipes are more restrictive than the earliest ones (and even those had fouling issues).

If you have HM341 pipes, the jetting must be changed. This number depends on your airbox: if you have one of the few remaining OEM K0 airboxes with the huge inlet slots and these pipes, the mainjet should be #110 and the needles should be in the 2nd slot, which is the 4th groove from the blunt end. If you have a K1 airbox, the needles should be in the center slot with the #110 mainjet. If you have a K2-K4 airbox, the mainjet should be #105 and the slot should be #4 for the needles.

All of these tunings are for running premium gas.

If you'd like to run on less octane, you should richen things up slightly: for most folks this consists of just raising the needles one notch from the above ratings, or else increasing the mainjet by either a 2.5 or 5 size from the above ratings. With today's ethanol-laced, slow-burning, self-cleaning, unleaded, nitrogen-enhanced, EPA-approved (and tinkered) fuels, these new Keihin "half-step" jets are proving to be very helpful... :/

The shorthand version: today's ethanol-laced, midgrade gas burns at the same rate as 1960s premium (i.e., slowly). This is why the midgrade gas is here today. Today's premium burns VERY slowly, suitable for engines with compression ratios in the 11:1 ranges. That's not your SOHC4 engine. Yours was designed to use leaded, 95 octane GASOLINE, which lubricated the valve stems (instead of stripping them of lube, like ethanol solvents do) and upper piston rings. So, if you have too much octane, it results in leftover unburned fuel in the chamber during overlap (when both valves are momentarily open at the same time, between intake and exhaust strokes), which ignites from the waste spark of the Ignition system and causes a burn-back into the intake tract at low speeds. This disrupts the incoming flow (like blowing into a straw) for the next cycle, and the engine stumbles. Then, when you pass about 1500 RPM it smoothes back out. (Sound familiar?) ;)
So are you saying good old regular 87-89 (depending on where you are) with a little lead additive or substitute will resemble premium of the day with the exception of the 10% corn fuel?
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2013, 05:35:03 PM »
Background:
I've been experimenting trying to use ethanol free gas, which hasn't been easy. I even found an app for my iphone called Pure Gas that locates the gas stations that have ethanol free available, mostly boat marinas in my area. I've been trying several different brands of ethanol free gas over the last few weeks with mixed results. My bike seems to run best with a  lower octane rating of 86 or 87. It runs terrible at 92 octane, backfiring and fouling plugs; unfortunately only 1 out of 10 gas stations that carry ethanol free gas within 25 miles of me sells 86 octane none ethanol, so I'm limited to buying from just one place.
Question:
I've heard the horror stories about gas with ethanol gelling up after it sits for a while and clogging carburetor jets, but is it really a fatal problem using 86 octane regular gas if I use it up and refill with fresh gas a couple of time a week?
Thanks!

Is your bike the K0 in your avatar? Those are a little unique, compared to the later 750. They had very richly-jetted carbs, if the whole setup is stock and you have HM300 pipes. A note about the pipes: if you have a sandcast or VERY early 1970 K0 with the HM300 original pipes, the mainjet may be #120 and the needles may be in the center notch in the carbs. But, if the pipes are NOT original, and are still HM300 pipes, the mainjet should be #115 and the needles should have their clips in the 2nd slot from the top (blunt end) or you will have plug fouling issues galore. The later HM300 pipes are more restrictive than the earliest ones (and even those had fouling issues).

If you have HM341 pipes, the jetting must be changed. This number depends on your airbox: if you have one of the few remaining OEM K0 airboxes with the huge inlet slots and these pipes, the mainjet should be #110 and the needles should be in the 2nd slot, which is the 4th groove from the blunt end. If you have a K1 airbox, the needles should be in the center slot with the #110 mainjet. If you have a K2-K4 airbox, the mainjet should be #105 and the slot should be #4 for the needles.

All of these tunings are for running premium gas.

If you'd like to run on less octane, you should richen things up slightly: for most folks this consists of just raising the needles one notch from the above ratings, or else increasing the mainjet by either a 2.5 or 5 size from the above ratings. With today's ethanol-laced, slow-burning, self-cleaning, unleaded, nitrogen-enhanced, EPA-approved (and tinkered) fuels, these new Keihin "half-step" jets are proving to be very helpful... :/

The shorthand version: today's ethanol-laced, midgrade gas burns at the same rate as 1960s premium (i.e., slowly). This is why the midgrade gas is here today. Today's premium burns VERY slowly, suitable for engines with compression ratios in the 11:1 ranges. That's not your SOHC4 engine. Yours was designed to use leaded, 95 octane GASOLINE, which lubricated the valve stems (instead of stripping them of lube, like ethanol solvents do) and upper piston rings. So, if you have too much octane, it results in leftover unburned fuel in the chamber during overlap (when both valves are momentarily open at the same time, between intake and exhaust strokes), which ignites from the waste spark of the Ignition system and causes a burn-back into the intake tract at low speeds. This disrupts the incoming flow (like blowing into a straw) for the next cycle, and the engine stumbles. Then, when you pass about 1500 RPM it smoothes back out. (Sound familiar?) ;)
So are you saying good old regular 87-89 (depending on where you are) with a little lead additive or substitute will resemble premium of the day with the exception of the 10% corn fuel?

Boy, that avatar rider in the rain still freaks me out!

Yep, use some top oil, like Marvel Mystery oil or Diesel (non-bio) in the tank on each fillup. Wynn's used to make the very best (IMO) top oil, but I haven't seen it in a long time (still use the bottle, though, fits in my fairing just right!). About 1+ ounce per tankfull is appropriate. In a pinch, use regular oil, 5w or 10w is fine. Some have used 2-stroke oil: that's not bad, either. Just don't use a lot of it, or you'll look like a Kawi Blue Streak or Suzuki triple?

After the lead disappeared, I started using this method. The valve guides in my engine showed almost no wear at 126k miles. I quit using it then, to see what happened next: at 139k+ miles, the guides wore past their specs (.002"+ wear that fast). Amazing, the difference.
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2013, 05:40:50 PM »
Another +1 for Marvel Mystery Oil.....I fry my eggs in it!!!
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2013, 06:07:02 AM »
Another +1 for Marvel Mystery Oil.....I fry my eggs in it!!!

HAHAHAHAHA! Although I love the smell of it, I couldn't imagine it on my eggs. Awesome call though! I have always used some sort of additive anyway. I will say Hondaman that wynns stuff was exceptional. I worked at a toyota dealer for a short stint (2 years) and everything we used was wynns.
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2013, 10:29:41 AM »
BINGO HONDA MAN!

You hit the nail right on the head, that is exactly what is happening. It idles rough, but smooths out over 1500 RPM. The bike does have HM300 pipes, but I'm not sure if they are the original set or if they have been replaced.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sharpest tool in the shed related to mechanical issues. Do you have any interest in re-jetting my carburetors if I ship them to you?

If so, please send me a direct message through this forum.

Thanks!
 
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Re: Regular Gas vs. None Ethanol?
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2013, 06:44:33 AM »
Hondaman, would you recommend the 2 stroke oil over the lead additive or marvel? If so any certain type or amount? I used to run a quart to a full tank of h1r bellray in my performance n/a rotary engine.
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