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Offline Mighty550

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Cb550 battery question
« on: June 28, 2013, 08:22:13 AM »
On my 76 550f project, i want to replace the stock battery with a smaller one. I want to use a 12v 8ah sealed battery. I will still have headlight, tail light, blinkers, and electric start (which i dont plan to use much). Will i have any problems using only an 8 ah battery to run everything? 

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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2013, 08:29:26 AM »
Anybody use an 8ah battery?

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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2013, 09:47:14 AM »
I think your bike calls for a 14ah battery. You are wanting all most half that size I think you might be opening up a can of worms. Maybe some 550 or 500 guys will have a answer so here is a bump. When you say a smaller one are you talking ah or physical size? I think the others will need to know more about what size headlight do you have any and all electrical changes from stock.
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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2013, 10:35:29 AM »
From what i have read, you need the high ah for the electric starter. Once the bike is running, the alternator will basically run the lights and blinkers. I have read about plenty of guys using a 7ah battery on their bikes but only using the kick starter, no electric start. Once i have the bike tuned right, i plan to only use the kick start, but i still want the option of the electric start. Anyone who knows this stuff, please let me know if i am way off base with my thinking.

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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 11:22:35 AM »
Once the bike is running, the alternator will basically run the lights and blinkers.
This depends on the RPM and the electrical load.  The 550 Alternator is capable of producing 150 Watts @ 5000 RPM.  It produces about 1/3 of that at idle RPM.
The stock bike uses about 120 Watts (lighting on), not counting battery recharge load.
So at idle, the bike absorbs more power than the alternator can produce and the difference is taken from the battery in depletion mode.  The scheme works only because more operational time is spent above idle than at idle, and the battery has sufficient reserve storage to keep power available to the ignition system and total electrical usage.  Reduce the battery capacity and not the electrical load, and you reduce the available percentage of time spent idling.  In other words, if you keep the RPM above, say, 3000 all the time, the battery will likely keep it's full charge state.  If you spend more time idling than riding, the bike will become very quiet and a subject of pushing, much sooner with a smaller battery.

Also, understand that the alternator design was created in the late 1960's, when separate lighting switches were routine equipment.  It was assumed the lights weren't used during daylight hours.  This reduced idle battery drain considerably to nearly match the idling alternator output.   Later legislation removed the lighting switch and the alternator wasn't updated along with the mandated change.
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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 01:22:13 PM »
Thanks for that great response TT!  So if i understand you correctly, its possible to use a smaller battery if you manage the needed load at idle. Using aftermarket lights and blinkers that pull less load would help get me where i need to be. I dont plan on using this bike as a commuter so i dont anticipate sitting in traffic at idle very often (but i do realize that this should not be a consideration in the design im trying). So basically, its possible to make it work, but i may run into a problem with load at idle.

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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 08:57:43 AM »
Anybody have any other thoughts on this before i pull the trigger?

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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 09:20:45 AM »
Thanks for that great response TT!  So if i understand you correctly, its possible to use a smaller battery if you manage the needed load at idle. Using aftermarket lights and blinkers that pull less load would help get me where i need to be. I dont plan on using this bike as a commuter so i dont anticipate sitting in traffic at idle very often (but i do realize that this should not be a consideration in the design im trying). So basically, its possible to make it work, but i may run into a problem with load at idle.

= Can of worms :)
I'd say if you can stay out of city traffic then go ahead. Plus keep it on a maintainer as much as you can when parked an super clean every connection.
Ken

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Re: Cb550 battery question
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 09:35:13 AM »
TT
 I think you could make some decent pocket change if you wrote a book on electrical stats and problems of the SOHC bikes. If you had done that instead all the post here you would be finished by now. Don't get me wrong I'm thankful for your post but it would be great to have a book on all these issues for our great bikes. I guess I could copy and paste all your post but then I would have to put them in some kind of order year and size. I'm to damn lazy. That is why I buy books. Hell you have it all in that brain of yours just print it out one summer and I want copy #2. ;)
Ken