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Offline canonball

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Seat material
« on: June 28, 2013, 07:35:12 AM »
I'm mocking up a seat and I'm wondering what material would work best. Initially I'm thinking leather, it's classic, I like it, but I need something that is pretty weather resistant. I don't have a garage  :( and living in FL we got a lot of harsh sun and we also have (especially in summer) some pretty nasty rain. Would marine vinyl be a better choice? Just want some opinions on durable seat material.

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Re: Seat material
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 07:47:28 AM »
Leather holds up pretty well in the rain on the cow. I suppose it depends on the finish and type of leather. Marine vinyl is a good option and a bunch cheaper if it needs to be replaced.

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Re: Seat material
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 07:52:13 AM »
cant speak for leather.  it is tough though, and with the right care might keep and weather for quite some time..
I went with marine grade vinyl. durable, water resistant, uv protected....
I'm sure there are many (boat/custom car) upholsterers down there who'd easily cover your seat.
Mine was $300.  I just took in my seat pan.  They layered it and shaped it to my liking.

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Re: Seat material
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 08:11:13 AM »
Cool, I figured since marine vinyl is made with the elements in mind it would prob hold up a lot better. there's a marine supply right down the road. Haven't been there in a while so I'll have to drop in and see what they've got. Thanks guys!

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2013, 12:39:50 PM »
From what my upholsterer told me leather takes a lot of care to withstand the elements and even then it may get destroyed. I have vinyl or some sort of Naugahyde. So far so good.
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Re: Seat material
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2013, 12:47:29 PM »
I got some marine vinyl from a fabric store.  That's been working well for me. 

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Re: Seat material
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2013, 12:54:57 PM »
I've had marine vinyl from the fabric store on my 77 for a couple years now and its held up nicely, however I am about to switch over to leather. I found a nice thick leather trench coat at the thrift store for under $20, I'll put a layer of poly between the foam and the leather for some waterproofing when I re cover everything. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2013, 01:01:22 PM »
Corinthian leather!  8)
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013, 01:10:10 PM »
RICH Corinthian leather!  8)
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Re: Seat material
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 01:31:53 PM »
I used a 4 way stretch vinyl "All Sport"  that I got from Rockford Supply online. I used it on my dirbike seat too and it has a nice grip to it, not slippery.
$25 for a yard x 54".  It's pretty easy to work with too. 
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Re: Seat material
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2013, 06:04:05 PM »
cool, I'm looking forward to getting the seat done. I'll try and post some photos of the process and end result. I'm sure it's not going to be anything really great but whatever  ::) thanks for all the input guys

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2013, 10:04:51 PM »
The leather would look nice the main thing to think about is the stitching That is where the water will find its way in Talk your upholsterer about that. Ever notice the factory cover has a fake heat pressed that looks like stitching but is not. Other than cost that is the reason they used that. I'm sure there is a way to work around to keep the water out.
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Re: Seat material
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2013, 12:35:01 AM »
I've had marine vinyl from the fabric store on my 77 for a couple years now and its held up nicely, however I am about to switch over to leather. I found a nice thick leather trench coat at the thrift store for under $20, I'll put a layer of poly between the foam and the leather for some waterproofing when I re cover everything.

Upholsterer by trade here. What I've seen over the years of doing boat seats and other outdoor projects, It's actually better not to waterproof between the material and the foam. A common thing to do is to use a layer of painters plastic over the foam, and then cover over that to "waterproof" it. And while that does work to keep water out of the foam, what you end up doing is making a nice way to keep all the water that gets through the cover held right up against it, and that leads to some green and black fuzzy stuff growing under the cover. It's quite nasty.

This is especially true for leather. It's better to just let the foam take the water in create a way for the water to drain out of the bottom of the pan(most factory seat pans will have holes exactly for this and for breathability).

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Re: Seat material
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2013, 12:47:23 AM »
If you let the foam soak up the water, doesn't that make the seat pan rust far sooner?
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Re: Seat material
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2013, 01:00:34 AM »
Interesting, I guess they both have pros and cons.

I'm in the PNW and it rains a lot and I mean a lot, I think I'd lean on the poly side and risk a bit of molding than sit on a wet sponge. There are decent waterproofing products for leather out there, I have a nik wax paste waterproofing for a pair of leather snowboarding gloves. Works great, with the poly and something like that I bet the amount of moisture getting through the leather would be minimal at best. It's leather after all, which needs reg maintenance. I treat all my leather items, what's one more.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2013, 06:18:04 AM »
I heard good things about snowmobile vinyl.

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2013, 11:57:14 AM »
I treat all my leather items, what's one more.

Tell the camel that is is only one more straw.   ;D  ;D

Hey, I like leather a lot.  But, constant exposure to the elements makes it break down far sooner than plastic that is UV protected.  If the bike spends more time out of the weather than in it, AND is treated regularly with moisturizers, and water proofing products, it can have a decent service life.  I speculate that human skin oils do approximate the cows secretions to keep the leather supple.  Perhaps riding with buttless chaps is a good technique for extending the life of leather seats?   ;D ;D ;D

However, water, oxygen, and bacteria are natural breakdown agents used to return the cow's hide to mother earth's recyclable nutrients.  Not many prehistoric cowhides are still in existence, I note.

The problem both vinyl and leather is that it is punctured during assembly, which lets water pass through the membrane at the puncture points, getting to foam and metal pan.

You'll note that the stock seat vinyl components were bonded/embossed with heat, fusing the plastic together forming a water shedding canopy over the seat foam and pan.  This is why a sheet of plastic is put between the cover and vinyl replacement covers, imo.  I think that treating all stitching with RTV, might approximate the bonded, heat fused method.   However, Vinyl often has a mold release agent applied to it during manufacture, which would interfere with the RTV bond.  So, planing ahead and cleaning all stitching paths before assembly would also be required.  Labor intensive and expensive to do it right, I expect.

Do use marine vinyl over other types of vinyl, as that is the only vinyl that won't harden and crack with more than 5 years of exposure to the sun.
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Re: Seat material
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2013, 02:03:54 PM »
I treat all my leather items, what's one more.

Perhaps riding with buttless chaps is a good technique for extending the life of leather seats?   ;D ;D ;D

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