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DEER are just as stupid in the middle of the afternoon.
« on: July 15, 2013, 04:42:19 PM »
On Sunday the 7th, my wife & I went on a ride along the Delaware on NY97 (the Hawks Nest). It was 2pm. We were in the middle of a well separated group of six mc's traveling about 45mph.  Our first full day in NY for an intended week of MC trips with friends.

Because it was hot, and I was stupid, I did not wear my CE rated jacket, nor did I make my wife wear hers as I normally do; this I admit was my error.

With about 100ft between us and the 3 front riders I watched 2 doe leap out of the poorly trimmed brush over a guard rail after the rider in front of me passed their location.  I started to brake, they ran diagonally toward us.

I was able to avoid the first, but struck the second, the last thing I distinctly remember before realizing I was on the road and I could not breathe was that the bike was skidding. The rider behind us said I hit the deer in her chest area as I slid to the right.   

We high sided off, my wife rolled about 15 feet onto the side of the road, I was deposited directly onto the pavement. my right shoulder and the right rear of my $500 Shoei helmet took the initial hit.  I must have performed a half flip.  I did not slide much.

My wife has some road abrasion on her arms & back, two stitched up fingers.  I have 5 broken ribs and some minor abrasions on my shoulder, back and knees.  All of my wife's injury would have been avoided with her armor, much of mine. >:( :(

First words out of my mouth once I was able to catch a breath was F&^king Deer!  (Friends had been telling me my wife was alright as I struggled to get some air into my lungs in case you're wondering about my priorities.)

I guess I did the best I could, BUTTHOONOSE? 

Classic mistake with our Armored Jackets.  never again. ::) ::)

Anti-lock brakes might have allowed me to steer behind the 2nd deer BUTTHOONOSE?  ( A good reason to look at a new bike :) )

Looks like about $1000 damage to my 2003 Vulcan if I do the repair work myself.  No frame problems are apparent but I will need to check it over well.

Deer at 2 in the afternoon, weird.  Forest ranger who called 911 said the heat was making the deer act odd.   

Thanks to all who helped and transported us to the hospital in Port Jervis NY.

Glad I was not stuck in the traffic jam I caused.  :-[


Good to have family at times like this, My son & son-in-law drove to NY from the Raleigh NC area, loaded my two bikes back on the truck & trailer and drove us back to Matthews NC.


It could have been a lot worse had the harry bags of stupid came over the rail a few seconds later; leaving me no time to brake.



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Re: DEER are just as stupid in the middle of the afternoon.
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 04:51:04 PM »
Glad both you and your wife are alright.

That Forest Ranger is flat full of #$%*ttttt!!!!

The farking problem is there is a deer explosion. The state has screwed the populations all out of control
by their measly hunting program. There should be an open season on deer, no license required, as they are no
more than damn varmints at this stage of their population explosion. Once the population is under control then slow down the kill.

I'm from NC originally and I remember hunting for deer (30 years ago one actually had to hunt).
Now it is the same there (south eastern NC) as it is here in the mountains of Virginia. I no longer call it deer hunting.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 04:52:38 PM »
oh , and btw, I have one confirmed deer kill with the Duck ST4. Not many people can say they killed a deer with a duck.
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Re: DEER are just as stupid in the middle of the afternoon.
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 04:58:17 PM »
Glad you and your wife are OK Mark!!! We have those same deer in WI. Had one run into the side of my Goldwing 2 years ago at 2 in the afternoon. I was able to keep it up and we only suffered some deer hair on the side of the bike and broke mirror. Sort of weird they were running directly at you...strange. Well, heal fast and I hope you get the bike on the road soon.
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Re: DEER are just as stupid in the middle of the afternoon.
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2013, 05:01:33 PM »
Glad to hear you and your wife are good. I spent a week in coma because of a afternoon deer. Totaled my bike out and left me with a f@%ked up knee for the rest of my life and short term memory loss. We have a giant explosion of deer here in kansas. It's to the point you see them in town now in the ghetto in the day time. I hope both of you have a fast recovery.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2013, 05:08:48 PM »
Thanks for the well wishes. 

There are too many deer. The State has introduced coyote to a NC county with 2,000,000 people. Here are some shots of one in my yard.

They do need to kill more during hunting season.  the city of Matthews NC is issuing bow permits in my neighborhood.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2013, 05:20:39 PM »
Glad to hear you are both OK. I agree, the ranger is out of touch. Certainly more deer movement evening, at night and dawn, but I've seen them riding just about every hour of the day. Michigan has 10-11,000 deer and vehicle crashes each year. West Virginia has even more.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 05:38:48 PM »
Glad to hear you are both OK. I agree, the ranger is out of touch. Certainly more deer movement evening, at night and dawn, but I've seen them riding just about every hour of the day. Michigan has 10-11,000 deer and vehicle crashes each year. West Virginia has even more.

our county has at least one deer hit every 24 hours, that is what is reported, probably 4 times that go unreported. That in a county of 13,000.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 05:55:28 PM »
Glad you are ok!   

Welcome to the exclusive club of Motorcycle Deer Slayers :)  - I killed 4 pointer last fall with my CB750, but I was lucky enough to stay upright.

Jokes aside, motorcycle cop died after hitting a  deer at Manassas Battlefield, deer season up here in Northern Virginia goes from September to end of March to decrease the population.
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Re: DEER are just as stupid in the middle of the afternoon.
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 07:26:04 PM »
I am about an hour east of where you wrecked and go up there regularly. At least up that way the do have active hunting. On my side of the river, there is no hunting to speak of. Bow and arrow and that is it. I have a herd in my yard. I can walk within 15 feet of them. I actually chased one with my Lawn Tractor.  I bought a slingshot and a bag of marbles. I whack them in the ass with the marbles and they now stay next door.

Glad you are OK. That Hospital is very small, but I think it is OK.
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Re: DEER are just as stupid in the middle of the afternoon.
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2013, 10:33:26 PM »
One ran into the side on my 28 foot white enclosed trailer behind my white long bed 4 door duallie. Hard to believe it didn't see the rig at 11 AM but he was frightened by a train. $3,000 damage and an antler through an 8 ply trailer tire. He was a 10 pointer going under the wheels, 5 coming out.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 11:00:15 PM »
Mark, I am glad you and your wife were not hurt worse. Sorry to read about the accident. Road rash is no fun, I learned as a kid in a couple bike accidents. Hope you heal up quick.

Do coyotes take down deer? Wouldn't expect them to be big enough. Wolves, yes...
Coyotes are bold and seen more commonly at night, evening and morning when I lived in AZ. They were all over the place. They liked to take small dogs for dinner and were known to take them off the leash in some areas of Tucson, or out of backyards. The berms batween washes and apartment complexes gave them hiding spots and the washes are their freeway through the city.

Speedy recoveryto you and your wife, the Vulcan can wear a deer kill mark on its tank...let's pray it is the only kill mark you ever collect. Don't try to make Ace... ;D
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 03:09:23 AM »
Glad you and wife manage to live through it!
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2013, 03:50:33 AM »
Glad both of you made it through, heal completely...Larry

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2013, 07:00:10 AM »
Glad you made it with only little damage to you and your 2 wheels. Here in NC the deer are BAD in numbers. We had one of our riders make his final ride April 1,2012. He was headed home and hit a DEER, he wasn't found until the next day when he didn't show for work and people started back tracking his route.
DEER are just plain stupid anytime ,day or night.
The problem is the TREE HUGGERS  don't want to kill anything and one animal species becomes over populated. Then the GOV'T brings in a predator species , like the COYOTES , now the COYOTES are becoming overpopulated in NC because there isn't any predator here except MAN and they tie our hands.

Vicious circle !!

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Re: DEER are just as stupid in the middle of the afternoon.
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2013, 07:09:24 AM »
Good to hear you are both upright Mark. I think part of the problem is deer don't have enough natural predators besides the declining hunting population. I quit doing it because all I would do is stay up all night and climb a tree way too early, not see a damn deer and then fall asleep.
Only deer I would see was on the back of other people's trucks.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2013, 07:54:35 AM »
I hunted deer for 20 years, hate the taste deer meat so I decided I would only shoot at trophy antlers.  As I would not take any shot that was not a clear shot thru the skull, I never took a shot.  Lots of them in my scope, but too much caution controlling my finger.  ( I helped track and then administered the coup de grace to two deer shot by friends.  I hated people not being careful how they shot.)   It has been 15 years since I hunted.

Deer would be blind by human standards, their vision is primarily sensitive to motion.  Why this does not allow them to sense motor vehicles is a mystery to me.  Perhaps we should make our vehicles smell like mountain lion and only ride down wind, at a speed slower than the wind. ;)

Damned if I now what to do.  Except wear my armor. :-[

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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2013, 09:27:07 AM »
Yeah, when I ride with other people or they see me in full suit and helmet they usually comment but I would not want to wreck without it.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2013, 01:57:07 AM »
Okay is relative.  I say cracked ribs hurt like hell for months and I think I only did one or two. Hope it heals up quick, cuz mine were  painful for months, and hard to sleep laying down with cracked ribs.

That being said it could be worse, but because it didn't kill you it will make you stronger. Right?
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2013, 06:13:02 AM »
To all:

Thanks again for the get well notes.  :)

I broke a rib on the other side snowmobiling 2 years ago with the same people.  We had been moving pretty fast and I tried to slide into a stop behind a friend.  Sore for months.

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2013, 07:25:02 AM »
Glad you guys made it, heal up quick!

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2013, 08:13:55 AM »
To all:

Thanks again for the get well notes.  :)

I broke a rib on the other side snowmobiling 2 years ago with the same people.  We had been moving pretty fast and I tried to slide into a stop behind a friend.  Sore for months.
I think maybe you should ride with different people.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 10:26:39 AM »
Glad to hear you both made it with minimal injuries. I live up near Asheville and hit one with the wife's SUV a couple of years back about 10pm one evening. Made a mess of her car! On my way into work on the bike a couple of weeks ago saw four standing right at the edge of the road, right in town! Never expected to see them at that time of day. My stepbrother has given up shooting deer, no sport, now he uses a bow and has no problem getting the limit. I agree they should remove the limit until the numbers come down. My mother has given up on her vegetable garden as the deer eat everything.

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2013, 09:05:00 AM »
glad you and your wife are OK !  yeah, deer are stoopid, overpopulated and squirrely!

- the other day it was 80 degrees and i stopped at the carry-out for smokes.  the guy working there said "JESUS ARE YOU EXPECTING A SNOWSTORM OR SOMETHING !?" to which i replied "Hey.  F**K YOU. I like having skin..." lol.  i'm pretty religious about wearing my jacket.  glad you had a helmet on though - that's something i need to get better about...

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2013, 11:41:17 AM »
Mark, I know it's been a bit but still, best wish's for y'alls speedy recovery.
Just got back from a 6 week cage trip with the wife and grandkids.
Watched 1 deer run into the side of a sedan in Colorado.
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2013, 03:53:19 AM »
Deer Crossing Sign humor Ha.

I am feeling near normal after six weeks!  Back riding the 900f and starting to repair my 1500.

eBay has its use, I have found perfect used replacements for all but a few parts.  cut repair cost substantially and kept me entertained while I recuperated.

Thanks again
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2013, 05:05:35 AM »
Didn't know anything about this Mark until a few minutes ago when I saw this thread. Glad you and your wife are healing up and are ok. @#%$ deer >:(

Have thought about getting armored riding gear myself, I think you just made up my mind ;)

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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2013, 04:01:30 PM »
Hi dhall! 

Thanks, we are both doing great.  Still feeling lucky I had as long as I did to slow down some.

I rode the Vulcan 1500 today!   

I've got it looking good again.  Still looking for bags and waiting for the re-upholstered backrest.


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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2013, 04:04:12 PM »
There is not much you can do about deer.  It is just luck and statistics.
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