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Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« on: August 08, 2013, 04:04:03 PM »
Hello everyone, I was planning to sync my carbs and I remember somewhere on here (I think) someone created a thread about how they build their own small portable tank that hangs on say the handlebars, to fuel the bike while doing a carb sync. I tried searching for it, with no luck. But anyway I am planning on building one similar to the one pictured below.



I was gonna go to a farm supply store and see if they sell small containers I could start with. Or maybe even say a small brake fluid container off of a car perhaps. I know I would need fuel lines, a petcock or brass splicers like this:



Just a few questions, do I need to make it have two fuel lines to match up to both the fuel lines on the carbs? Should I buy a small petcock to put on it to stop the fuel flow? Bike is a '76 550F.

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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2013, 04:14:34 PM »
Make sure whatever you rig up has a vent. I got an old plastic riding lawn mower tank that I have hanging in an old heavy based metal bird cage stand.There is a cheap plastic petcock where I can turn it off. I use tee's etc depending on how many lines I need. It works very well,the downside of mine is not being able to ride the bike but if I wanted to I could just untie it and strap her down on the frame. Every shop needs a slave tank.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2013, 04:32:09 PM »
Make sure whatever you rig up has a vent. I got an old plastic riding lawn mower tank that I have hanging in an old heavy based metal bird cage stand.There is a cheap plastic petcock where I can turn it off. I use tee's etc depending on how many lines I need. It works very well,the downside of mine is not being able to ride the bike but if I wanted to I could just untie it and strap her down on the frame. Every shop needs a slave tank.

Same exact set up here.  I can even ride it around town to feel the changes...
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2013, 07:00:58 PM »
I have a painters step ladder with wide steps and a wide platform for the paint bucket at the top.  A tank will fit right through and set on the platform.  I just bought about five feet of fuel line and a bayonet fitting like you have a picture above.  I made up two lines to use with my K1 550.  Simple and no extra gas in tanks to fool with plus you have a built in shutoff valve.  I think the ladder was about 20 bucks at Home Depot and I purchased it for a home improvement project.  I am sure they are higher than that now.  A yard sale five or six foot step ladder would probably work just fine even if you had to run a couple of short boards across the step height of your choice.
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2013, 07:13:02 PM »
I have an old metal tank, about a gallon, off a rototiller or something, vented cap.  It was clean inside, so I just fitted a basic brass on/off valve to it's threaded base, a long hose AND a fuel filter  :o that accepts 1/4 and 5/16 hose to suit whichever bike I'm working on.  I hang it up wherever convenient, step ladder works fine.  I use it to 'wet test' rebuilt carbs to make sure they're OK before mounting (not leaking, accel pumps work on the CVs).

I make sure the bike is out in the open and I keep a fire extinguisher handy when doing any fuel related changes.  I put the thing down close at hand with the pin out so it's ready to rock n roll.  Never needed it in 45 years but yah never know.
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 07:50:52 PM »
 Not the greatest pic but I just got an old gallon jug, silicones a line to it then a t fitting to each carb. VIOLA! He'll I even ran it up and down the street like that...

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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 08:51:53 PM »
silicone and gas is dicey brother. I was thinking about this lately myself, building a decent one that is . I have been using is a one gallon gas jug with some large tubing that tapers to a smaller size via some good old electrical tape. I hang it from the rafters with bungies, it is the concours of ghettoness but works well. I would like to make one with the proper brass tapes and say a sweet old metal gas can (the one gallon type that say GAS) and an IV rack with the adjustable stand and the other side for hanging my carb sync gauges from. Someone has done this , lets see :) show it off!

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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2013, 09:52:36 PM »
Make sure whatever you use...depending on how many...just untie and strap her down on the frame. Every shop needs a slave...

Wow, Eric, I had no idea! Wish I had a slave. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2013, 10:23:52 PM »
Why dicey? I've never taken a chem class so no idea...

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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2013, 10:24:17 PM »
My brother poked a hole in a brake fluid can and soldered a brass fitting into it. A valve would be helpful. I just pinch the hose with small vice grips.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2013, 10:25:30 PM »
Gas may soften the silicone and catch you on fire when it leaks?
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2013, 10:28:56 PM »
Why all the troubles? The actual sync and turning screw should be fairly quick.  Fuel in carbs bowl should be plenty to do the job.

Get your bike out riding, come back and tank off, undo the lock nuts. Get your synch tool hooked up, adjust the screws and wrap everything up.  This whole process is quick. 
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2013, 02:04:32 AM »
I bought the purpose-built one as shown in your picture. If you factor in the time in making it and buying the parts, it's probably not much cheaper to do it yourself  than a proper one anyway. And safer. And believe me I'm cheap! - I make a lot of my own tools, but I needed it quick. Before that I'd always used the tank on a stepladder method, but as the stable grew there was no-where to put the ladder!
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2013, 03:17:36 AM »
I use a coolant overflow from a wrecked sport bike. It has a 1/4" barb on the bottom, a 1/4" barb on thetop for vent, a nice thread on cap,and a tab with a hole on the top for mounting. Find a salvage yard, plenty of perfectly suited tanks.
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2013, 04:10:48 AM »
Why all the troubles? The actual sync and turning screw should be fairly quick.  Fuel in carbs bowl should be plenty to do the job.

Get your bike out riding, come back and tank off, undo the lock nuts. Get your synch tool hooked up, adjust the screws and wrap everything up.  This whole process is quick. 
Mostly I use mine for new to me bikes that are usually not runners. As we know most of them need to have the gas tanks cleaned. With the slave tank I can address all the mechanicals of the engine to evaluate their worthiness, keep the clean carbs clean, and when all checks out good can get to those other mundane chores like the tank etc if its found worthy. It is easier to dial in carbs also and puts the gas tank at less risk. Bet a couple people here have dropped one at one time or another.
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2013, 04:12:40 AM »
Make sure whatever you use...depending on how many...just untie and strap her down on the frame. Every shop needs a slave...

Wow, Eric, I had no idea! Wish I had a slave. 
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2013, 05:00:55 PM »
Thanks for all the info.

Why all the troubles? The actual sync and turning screw should be fairly quick.  Fuel in carbs bowl should be plenty to do the job.

Get your bike out riding, come back and tank off, undo the lock nuts. Get your synch tool hooked up, adjust the screws and wrap everything up.  This whole process is quick. 

I was aware of this and also figured this would be the way to go. But, I was also wanting to make it anyway, because I think it would be a nice thing to have and just another useful tool to add to my garage!

I actually have another question that I figure I'll just ask in this thread.  I put together the parts for a carb sync, but after I looked at the carb sync tools online, I think I actually bought the wrong vacuum gauges. If anybody wants to confirm this for me I'll post a picture of the ones I bought.

It's a lot like this one:



The numbers are negative, and on mine it says:

kPa
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Will these be useful or did I get the wrong ones? In the manual it says readings should be between 16 cm-hg and 24 cm-hg. Bike is a '76 550F.

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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2013, 05:08:48 PM »
If you want one that is extremely tough, find a Honda generator one.. Not the smallest but Very Tough.. Looks like so
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2013, 06:04:30 PM »
Dave - You can use one gauge but you need to follow the sequencing,  #2 is the non-adjustable one, so #1 and #3 work from 2, so you need to get #1 and #3 right then #4 and you may end up going back and forth a bit with just one gauge.

Some guys do it using tubes off all four carbs and a bunch of aquarium aeration valves to turn on/off various carbs instead of having to change attachment.

But in addition to your gauge, you need the adapters to put in the threaded hole where the plug was, to which you attach the flexible tubing.  Be really careful because the threaded tube adapters are very small and easily broken off.  I attach the flex hoses to the adapter, leaving the other end of the flex hose free until the adapter is threaded in, then I attach the free end of the flex to the gauges.  But I have a four gauge bank.  If you look online, you can get a 4 gauge set with adapters and carb sync tool for about 85 bucks plus shipping. 

Or if you want to really cheap out, check Youtube for examples of just using flexible clear tubing.  But if you do that use motor oil in the tubes so anything that accidentally gets into your motor isn't going to do harm. 

Also remember, you need to have your compression within reasonable bounds across the board and your valves and timing should be set right, otherwise don't even bother with vacuum sync.  And your carbs should be in good shape and bench sync'd.  That gives you a solid starting point.  The vacuum sync is meant to allow for minute changes in valve lash and ignition, but those things need to be as close to spot on as you can get them first.

And back to the temp tank thing for a sec, whatever you use, put a filter on the thing.  It's too easy with temporary things and fueling up from a Jerry can to get some debris in the fuel.
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Re: Building Small Portable Fuel Tank for Carb Syncing?
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2013, 08:18:38 PM »
I used a Gatorade bottle with a hole drilled in the bottom, near the middle where it is the thickest. Sport drinks seem to have the thickest bottles. Plus it's clear so you can see the fuel level. I then ran a length of fuel line through the hole (hole sized so hose was tight fit). I  pushed the hose so the one end stuck out the cap end, then stuck a hose barb in the end of the hose and pulled it back down. The barb made the hose slightly wider, and by pulling it down tightly, it sealed the hole. Then just add gas. Hung it off the handle bars with a bent coat hanger wrapped around the neck.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2013, 09:35:09 PM »
I think that generator tank is like 4 mm or more thick.. The day your house insurer of fire dept inspector sees your gatorade bottle..

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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2013, 05:43:46 AM »
Those vacuum gauges are fine. vacuum is negative pressure, in a way, so the negative readings make sense. The inner reading is "bar" and goes to -1: one bar is normal air pressure at sea level - your gauges read all the way to full vacuum (no air).

You just need threaded fittings for the carb spacer connections, some tubing, and some sort of snubbers to smooth out the meter readings. On one home-made vacuum gauge I just jammed a cigarette filter into the tubing at the end opposite the gauge, that worked OK. You can also use aquarium air valves and just open them a crack. Without snubbers,  reading the vibrating needles will be a guess and the gauges will self-destruct rapidly
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2013, 06:23:06 AM »
I use an IV bag hooked up to a length of fuel line.
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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2013, 06:42:03 AM »
+1 on the old riding mower tank.  have it tied to the barn rafter at 7 foot.  works like a charm
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2013, 12:20:10 PM »
Those vacuum gauges are fine. vacuum is negative pressure, in a way, so the negative readings make sense. The inner reading is "bar" and goes to -1: one bar is normal air pressure at sea level - your gauges read all the way to full vacuum (no air).

Excellent! Then I am good to go. I got everything else I need. I got four gauges each hooked up to a nice ball valve and the tubing and I got a package of ".03 metric contact tips" by K-T industries that are apparently used for small mig welders. They fit nicely into the screw holes on the carbs like pictured below. I think somewhere on this forum a member recommended those.