Author Topic: Harley wheel on a GSXR front-end (Read 20021 times)

Tremelune · « **on:** August 19, 2013, 06:37:51 PM »

I have a 2006 GSXR 750 front-end that I'm putting on a '69 CL350. I'd like to keep the spoke wheel up front. After reading this informative thread, it looks like a good route will be to:

1) Get a 2008+ Harley Narrow Glide wheel/hub (2000+ if I'm willing to shim the rotor).
2) Get a pair of 25x52x15mm wheel bearings.
3) Get a brake rotor from a Hayabusa.
4) Stuff the bearings in the hub, including the crush sleeve.
5) Drill five new holes in the correct pitch circle diameter for the Harley hub.

Will that all bolt up? Outstanding questions:

A) What spacers should be used between the forks and the hub?
B) What year Hayabusa rotor will work? If there is a 310mm rotor that will also work, that would be preferable, as it saves me from spacing out the caliper (citation).
C) Speedo?

Anyone have any first-hand experience with this? I just want to make sure I have all the fiddly bits squared away before I start buying (the wrong) parts.

sethdhawkins · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2013, 04:51:01 AM »

There's a bit more information on this type of setup over on DTT. At one point, I was gonna follow this path, but once you tally everything up, it's super expensive. I have a Harley hub kicking around if you want it. There's also a member on DTT getting spoked front hubs made up for those front ends.

sethdhawkins · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2013, 04:53:09 AM »

http://www.dotheton.com/forum/index.php?topic=48913

Tremelune · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2013, 06:55:54 AM »

Ooo...I will investigate. It sounds like the large costs (if you get the right the hub) are simply the cost of the hub/wheel. I'll need calipers, bearings, and a rotor no matter what.

What year is your Harley hub (Narrow Glide)? The "good" ones are supposed to be ~5" wide, while the forks sit about 6" apart. What goes between them? GSXR spacers? Machined spacers from the inaccurate measurement I take?

FunJimmy · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2013, 07:03:15 AM »

If you have access to a lathe, you can modify your existing stock hub and combine I with several rotors. You can also make all the required spacers too.

Info in the project link.

Tews19 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2013, 08:47:31 AM »

I would not get the hub on DTT... he is charging 350 for the hub. . You have to buy the spacer and then the bearings, spokes then a rim.... stupid money if you ask me... I bought a complete wheel for 150 shipped for my gsxr front end.. alls balls will get you the bearings... you will need a spacer made up for one side of the hub to be centered...

Tremelune · « **Reply #6 on:** August 26, 2013, 08:08:19 AM »

Got any dimensions for that spacer? Did you use the speedo or ditch it?

Unfortunately, I'm latheless. Machine work around here is $100/hr, but I could probably send out for spacers if I knew what I was working with.

I'm having a real hard time finding 2000+ Harley wheels, much less one from 2008+.

Tremelune · « **Reply #7 on:** August 26, 2013, 08:38:17 AM »

I wonder if my search is hampered by not really knowing anything about Harleys. It would seem that "narrow glide" isn't so much a Harley model as it is a style of fork...In addition, there is a "wide glide" and everything else...So...I wish I knew what models were considered "narrow glide" so I could search eBay with more concrete terms.

Do I start cruising Harley forums...?

Elan · « **Reply #8 on:** August 26, 2013, 08:46:16 AM »

Quote from: Tremelune on August 26, 2013, 08:38:17 AM

I wonder if my search is hampered by not really knowing anything about Harleys. It would seem that "narrow glide" isn't so much a Harley model as it is a style of fork...In addition, there is a "wide glide" and everything else...So...I wish I knew what models were considered "narrow glide" so I could search eBay with more concrete terms.

Do I start cruising Harley forums...?

The narrowglide is more like a blanket of a series of models. Mine was labeled as:

Harley 2010 FXD Super-Glide 19 X 2.5 Front 40 Spoke Wheel

Make sure it has the bolt holes for dual rotors.(maybe it doesnt matter).

I got a 2004 gsxr1000 fork and I measured it out to find the spacer needed. using the stock harley bearings, I think i was around .714". I then found a set of axle spacers for a "real harley wheel spacers". They were spot on in size and I just had to taper the edge a bit to clear a small lip on the fork. Did this by chucking it up in a drill.

Tremelune · « **Reply #9 on:** August 26, 2013, 10:01:52 AM »

This is valuable info. I'm like two details away from a 100% bolt-on solution for spoked wheels on a GSXR front. Just need a list of "narrow" Harley models and the specifics of the Harley spacers...

Tews19 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 26, 2013, 10:13:21 AM »

PM coming... I have a lead on front and matching rear wheels.. I want the rear. He won't separate... Maybe we can work something out...

Tremelune · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2013, 10:03:48 AM »

I've started cruising Harley forums. A pretty good breakdown of the various glides:

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/dyna-glide-models/497300-wide-glide-vs-narrow-glide.html

As stated above, looks like any FXD Dyna that isn't a "wide glide" FXDWG will work. 2000+ with shims for the rotors, 2008+ without shims. I think it's time to just give it a shot and worry about proper spacers later.

Based on what I read in that Harley thread with regard to 2006+ Dynas being considered "mid-glides", I'm thinking the hub width changed in 2006, not 2008 (as specificed in the 550 build thread). The year 2008 was taken from an eBay ad that could very well have not been wholly accurate in its fitment guidelines.

Tremelune · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2013, 08:40:36 PM »

Since neither the Harley nor GSXR use offset rotors, I'm wondering why I can't just use the Harley rotor and bolt it right to the hub. Stock is 300mm, and with the gold Tokico calipers, I would only need a 5mm spacer for the radial mounts.

Tews19 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2013, 04:25:11 AM »

I think it is for cosmetic looks that others may go with Hayabusa rotors

Tremelune · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2013, 06:39:37 PM »

Welp, I've got my Harley wheel. It is a 19"x2.5", 40-spoke rim for the 2000+ FXD and XL (both non-wide-glide). Alleged SKU: 60-WH-730-06. It came with bearings that measure 52mmx20mm with a 3/4" inner diameter. The distance from bearing edge to bearing edge is 119mm as near as I can tell. There is ~1.5mm of extra flange on both sides. They weigh 16 pounds.

If anyone has a recent GSXR wheel lying round, I'd love to know the distance from bearing edge to bearing edge, as well as the thickness of any spacers/seals you may have...

Tremelune · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2013, 09:09:20 PM »

If anyone's keeping score, the Harley brake rotors that fit these hubs were 11.5" (292mm) until 2008, at which point they went to 11.8" (300mm) across most of the models. The smaller rotors won't work with any GSXR calipers unless you mill them. The 300mm rotors will work with late model forks and early model gold Tokico calipers with a spacer. To my knowledge there are no 310mm or 320mm rotors that fit this hub.

http://www.svrider.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2163049

754 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2013, 09:19:49 PM »

Does it have sesled ball bearings or the. LM11949 timken tapereds?
If its got tapers they are a bit tricky to set up,, but I can help with that

Elan · « **Reply #17 on:** September 06, 2013, 11:01:28 PM »

Uhhhh... 3/4" I'd?? Not 1 inch? They switched to 1" after around 2006 ish. How you gonna make that work? Hopefully just a bearing change?

Tews19 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 07, 2013, 05:43:19 AM »

It took me a while to find the 1" hub.. Hopefully All Balls can hook you up with the proper size to accommodate a 1" axle

Tremelune · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2013, 06:04:28 AM »

The bearings are no problem--I'm going to yank them out and install new ones. There are several 25x52x15mm bearings available from All Balls that will replace the semi-metric Harley ones and fit the 25mm Suzuki axle perfectly. I'll need a crush tube to put between them, though...Same length as the one that is in there, but with a 25mm inner diameter (1" might even work for this, as it is slightly larger).

I think Harley used 3/4" axle for a while, then a 1" (25.4mm) axle for a smidge, then went to 25mm axle, but don't quote me on that...I have no source other than my poor memory from cruising various threads on the subject. I wouldn't go too far out of my way to avoid changing wheel bearings, though. It's not a big deal, and they are an important wear item.

The important measurement hub-wise is the outer diameter (52mm) of the bearings. Harley hubs from '99 on down just won't work.

Tremelune · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2013, 09:47:24 AM »

Ugh. I failed to get the bearings out with a drift and a hammer. No matter what I did, I just couldn't find a good purchase on the bearing. I've got a puller en route.

I'm still unsure about what should go between the forks and the bearings. Is there a seal? Special spacer? Normal cylindrical spacer? In particular, one side of the axle is stepped. I should grab a photo...

My plan is to measure things and go from there...Just need to get these damn bearings out...

Tremelune · « **Reply #21 on:** September 25, 2013, 06:23:13 PM »

Well then. I am disappointed. After banging away on both bearings with this puller, I failed to move either a millimeter. I'm gonna need to bring this thing to a shop or put my faith in some kind of screw-type puller...

At this point I'm only going the Harley route to try and find a bolt-on solution for the community...I have a feeling the spacers will offer similar frustration for someone with no lathe.

754 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 25, 2013, 08:04:41 PM »

Are you talking the harley hub, is it tapered bearings or. Ball bearing with inner and outer race?

Tremelune · « **Reply #23 on:** September 25, 2013, 08:14:12 PM »

The hub has a pair of sealed ball bearings.

Tremelune · « **Reply #24 on:** September 25, 2013, 08:17:10 PM »

I think this tool is in my future:

Harley Davidson Wheel Bearing Change and Tire Information.avi

Edit: Holy #$%*, it's $300 from HD! $100 on eBay! I think maybe borrowing this tool is in my future...

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Author Topic: Harley wheel on a GSXR front-end (Read 20021 times)