Author Topic: Spark plug pics / glazing  (Read 3634 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er

  • This MuthaF'er is getting to be a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,938
  • Bought her new 4/75
Re: Spark plug pics / glazing
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2013, 07:31:37 PM »
Thanks for the 550 info TT. Don't I know about old charging system issues with my 3ohm coils, Dyna III, upgraded halogen headlight, old ignition switch, nasty connectors, etc!!
As of today 3/13/2012 my original owner 75 CB750F has made it through 3 wives, er EX-wives. Free at last.  ;-)

Offline Eddie

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 237
Re: Spark plug pics / glazing
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2013, 08:02:40 PM »
Answers below..
What's the outside air temp when starting?           avg summer in Ill. upper 60's[/b]
Slow jet size?                                they are stock honda jets that orig came with the bike
Slide needle position?                     dont know
Main jet size? (marked or actual?)                    stock orig as well
Emulsion tube bleed holes clear?                     very clear when rebuilt
Air filter clean as new?                          new last summer.
Filter box inlet clear?          very

Are the carb internal components aftermarket or factory original? bought factory orig

looks like I'll be taking the carbs off again ?

Offline TwoTired

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,802
Re: Spark plug pics / glazing
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2013, 08:15:36 PM »
What are the chances that your replacement exhaust has more back pressure than the original 4 to 4?  Is the bike loud?
Lloyd... (SOHC4 #11 Original Mail List)
72 500, 74 550, 75 550K, 75 550F, 76 550F, 77 550F X2, 78 550K, 77 750F X2, 78 750F, 79CX500, 85 700SC, GL1100

Those that learn from history are doomed to repeat it by those that don't learn from history.

Offline Eddie

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 237
Re: Spark plug pics / glazing
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2013, 04:47:21 AM »
it's not "Harley" loud but its not quiet, exhaust puffs out pretty good. It's got to be on the rich side.... float re-adjust? They are not the easiest to get perfect. Im a old motor head and have rebuilt many rochester & holly carbs, engines etc. but bikes are new to me. Looks like a little more finesse is needed and I should look a little deeper as I have no idea what the previous owner did to the bike. It really does seem to run good from off idle on up... just likes to glaze the plugs.
 Side note, last summer it was really hot here mid to upper 90's for what it seemed like weeks and they didnt glaze at all... I have thought about putting new 3ohm coils on as I have a Pamco unit installed. The original wires look to have been shortened a few times and when I put new caps on the inner insulation seems to be breaking down...getting to the point of getting gooey. I can still grab them and not get shocked though.... Old bikes...lots of fun fix one thing another pops up.

Offline TwoTired

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,802
Re: Spark plug pics / glazing
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2013, 09:15:43 AM »
it's not "Harley" loud but its not quiet, exhaust puffs out pretty good. It's got to be on the rich side.... float re-adjust?

High floats can cause a general richness.  Perhaps running a clear tube from the bowl drain hole up the side will tell you if the bowls are overfilling.  Normal level is 2-3 mm below the bowl to body interface.

They are not the easiest to get perfect.
True.   And they never will be.    It's the nature of air cooled motors that seldom run at optimum cylinder temps, and dumb, non-adaptive carbs.  Then there is the baro pressure and temp of the air, etc.  Air cooled motors often rely on fuel mixture cooling to gain longevity, as there is no massive radiator to accept and discard high heat spikes.

....but bikes are new to me. Looks like a little more finesse is needed ...
That's kind of the nature of smaller engines.   Small changes have big effects.  You want finicky?  Try fine tuning model airplane engines.  A spec in the fuel, or a nudge of the needle valve can make the difference from a carefree flight to an adrenaline rush body shaker, or even a demoralizing crash.

Side note, last summer it was really hot here mid to upper 90's for what it seemed like weeks and they didnt glaze at all...
That's kind of what I thought.  Air cooled engines run hotter in hot weather, as the air accepts less heat from the cooling fins.  Higher temps allow the plugs to self clean the insulator.  As an experiment, you could try D6EA spark plugs, if you want to avoid/postpone carb tuning.  That should raise the "average temp" in the combustion chamber, by shunting less heat to the cylinder head.

I have thought about putting new 3ohm coils on as I have a Pamco unit installed. The original wires look to have been shortened a few times and when I put new caps on the inner insulation seems to be breaking down...getting to the point of getting gooey.
I don't favor trying to correct mixture issues with spark intensity.
The gooey wire centers are an artifact of arcing between the wire conductor and the plug cap screw post.  You do need to get rid of the goo so the end cap can be solidly screwed into the wire end which prevents further arcing.
If the ignition leads get too short, NGK makes wire splicers.  It's not too hard to find copper stranded core wire.  Steel core is better for the cap's screw post grab longevity, but I didn't want to buy 50 ft of it, which was the minimum order.
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/performance/splicers.asp
Lloyd... (SOHC4 #11 Original Mail List)
72 500, 74 550, 75 550K, 75 550F, 76 550F, 77 550F X2, 78 550K, 77 750F X2, 78 750F, 79CX500, 85 700SC, GL1100

Those that learn from history are doomed to repeat it by those that don't learn from history.

Offline Eddie

  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 237
Re: Spark plug pics / glazing
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2013, 09:34:15 AM »
Thank you TT for all the good advice, i'll try the 6's and post the findings.