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Offline gregripko

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MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550 (Jetting and video)
« on: August 26, 2013, 03:48:33 PM »
UPDATE
Dec 2013:


Bike was tuned very close to perfect but experienced a bizarre small blubber/flutter at 3/4 throttle around 6-7k ...... Tried many different tuning combinations but what ultimately cured it was resetting/checking float height on the carbs to 22mm (stock for cb550).... Bike has no fluttering and last night I was able to take both my gf and I up to 80mph easily on freeway....

Cb550k 76
022a carbs (stock is #100, #40/#38, 1.50 turns out, 4th clip pos)


My settings:

#105 Main
#38 Slow
#1.25 turns out (May adjust a tad but seems to run well)
Uni foam filter in stock airbox
Clip position is third down from top


A small mod I did was use a spacer nut and a stud between the airbox lid and body to allow a little extra air in which seems to help any potential flat spots (which are not present)















Jetting Recommendation?

76 CB550
MotoGPWerks 4 into 1
Stock Airbox (foam uni filter)
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 03:50:37 PM »
Seller or maker of the pipes should know the answer best.
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 09:23:11 PM »
Chris said just to up the mains and clip position but I'm running stock air box and I know others who have the same pipe settled around #115 so I'm thinking #105 is a good start but it would be nice to find these jets for a cheap price!

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2013, 02:54:34 AM »
 Check out Sirius Consolidated. They offer a small box with an assortment of jets. I was able to call them and get them to swap out the sizes for the particular range I wanted. They have an eBay store, but you can save a few bucks ordering from their website.

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 08:00:59 AM »
+1 for sirius.  their jetting kit, like Scott S mentioned, is the way to go.
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2013, 10:32:08 AM »
I'll def check it out Ty :)

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2013, 12:22:27 PM »
Which carbs? 

I've got the same pipe on an otherwise stock 1975 550 with 022a's and I just upped the mains to 105 and turned the air screws in 1/4 turn (sitting at 1.25 turns now).  I've debated changing the needle, but the plugs (ngk's) look good with it in the middle position. 

I'm ~500-700 ft above sea level and have the stock filter (you said you have a uni) so maybe this is more of a starting point than anything else.  I'd definitely start by ordering some 105's though personally.
-Rob

Hondas past/present:
SOHC1:'74 CB125, '78 XL125
DOHC2:'71 CB450K
SOHC4:'73 350F, '75 400F, '75 550K
DOHC4:'81 900F, '01 1100XX
V4:'85 VF1000R, '86 VF500F, '08 VFR800

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2013, 03:31:01 PM »
022A and I just ordered #105 #110 x4 so I figure it will be one or the other but I'm leaning towards the #105s thanks!

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2013, 03:33:47 PM »
022A and I just ordered #105 #110 x4 so I figure it will be one or the other but I'm leaning towards the #105s thanks!

Curious no changes to the idle jets?
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2013, 05:59:48 PM »
I didn't change the idle jets, no, but I think they're kind of "at the edge" of their ideal range.  Just a gut feeling, there's no stumbling or anything.  Apparently, not having to change idle jets is more common than most people realize. 

I read up a lot before I bought my jets and I found that most people just had to change mains and maybe play with the needles (requiring a re-sync in the process) when they changed pipes. 

I think it has something to do with the vacuum created at low throttle opening % and that (as long as you leave the airbox on) the amount of restriction at these openings shouldn't change by a huge amount on the idle circuit (at least, the restriction doesn't change by a large amount at the venturi inside the carb). 
-Rob

Hondas past/present:
SOHC1:'74 CB125, '78 XL125
DOHC2:'71 CB450K
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DOHC4:'81 900F, '01 1100XX
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2013, 07:01:25 PM »
How can I sticky this? I got mine in the mail today... I was thinking going up one on the needle jumping to 115 mains and 42 idle.


Could you post a video of your bike running with the pipe? Curious how it sounds.
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2013, 08:10:33 PM »
I haven't taken a video of my bike running with the pipe, but I can tell you that the link below is what I would consider a very accurate depiction of the sound. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T83uT5c3xkk
-Rob

Hondas past/present:
SOHC1:'74 CB125, '78 XL125
DOHC2:'71 CB450K
SOHC4:'73 350F, '75 400F, '75 550K
DOHC4:'81 900F, '01 1100XX
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2013, 08:22:58 PM »
Thanks RF.. I have seen that video a few times.. Do you think you may have gained some HP?
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2013, 08:27:04 PM »
How did you guys mount the header to the engine? Did you use the shims that are stock on the Honda headers?
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2013, 09:15:33 PM »
Hard to explain but I found it by watching YouTube videos....

Should be like this:


Engine ..... Metal cylinder tubes with mount plates (screw those on loosely) ...... Then Header (use small springs connecting from the header to the mount plates (that pulls the header to the mount plates)

I didn't reuse any past header/pipe parts.... I connected the outside pipe first with some force as they didn't line up perfectly.... Figure heat from pipe will settle pipe into proper shape but it will fit.

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2013, 09:33:58 PM »
Got ya, so he supplied everything...??
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 12:16:12 AM »
Yes

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 06:51:48 AM »
Actually, you're going to need to buy some copper exhaust crush gaskets on your own (like $15 maybe?).  These sit between the header's collar and the engine head and crush down to ensure a good seal to the head.  Be sure when you take off your old exhaust that you make sure the old copper crush gaskets have been removed as they will probably be sooty and hard to tell apart from the head.  Take a flat screw driver and feel around on the flange surface on the head, you'll probably find that they pop right out.  Everyone may have already known this, but it wasn't mentioned, and if you haven't done exhaust before it's a horrible way to screw up.

Also, even though the pipe is designed to be quick release, I'd suggest putting it on the engine with all of the header parts attached together (metal sleeves, collar, and header).  It's much easier this way.  If you have to take the header off or if you were planning on putting the header on after you get the little guides bolted to the engine you're going to have to yank and pry on the outside tubes a little bit to get them to slide on as cyl's 1&4 are at slight outward angles.  I jut found it easier to bolt up like a traditional header. 

You also may want to take the inserts out of the pipe and put a thin line of copper RTV around them and then reinstall on the header to create a good mating surface between these two parts.  I had no leaking initially, but after 1000 miles I had to do this as I developed a leak around the #2 header to flange connection.

As far as HP increase, there's probably not much in it and the racing guys would probably laugh at me if I told you it made any difference at all to the positive side.  I can tell you that it lowered the back pressure enough compared to what was on there (old mac 4-2 turnouts) that I was over-revving a little when I first tried to downshift by rev-matching after getting the pipe on.  I.e. it revved easier, I was giving it 500 too many rpm when matching.  Other than that and the noise and maybe some ground clearance improvement, you probably won't notice much.  I think the sound biases everyone to say it's faster.  It did lower the weight for me by a considerable amount though, so there's that. 

 
-Rob

Hondas past/present:
SOHC1:'74 CB125, '78 XL125
DOHC2:'71 CB450K
SOHC4:'73 350F, '75 400F, '75 550K
DOHC4:'81 900F, '01 1100XX
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 07:55:23 AM »
Thanks RF... I was curious about the inserts as they are loose.. I open it up admired the work and started to worry about the inserts not seating all the way..
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 10:38:28 AM »
The shims are not used with this pipe unless I'm wrong... Maybe someone else could verify or explain how they install if they are

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2013, 12:36:08 PM »
Correct, no shims, just copper crush gaskets and what is included in the motogp Werks box
-Rob

Hondas past/present:
SOHC1:'74 CB125, '78 XL125
DOHC2:'71 CB450K
SOHC4:'73 350F, '75 400F, '75 550K
DOHC4:'81 900F, '01 1100XX
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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2013, 01:20:40 PM »
022A and I just ordered #105 #110 x4 so I figure it will be one or the other but I'm leaning towards the #105s thanks!

Curious no changes to the idle jets?


Should not be needed with stock intake system.

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2013, 01:21:42 PM »
Seller or maker of the pipes should know the answer best.

I would doubt they would give that information out, or even have that information.

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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2013, 01:25:15 PM »
Jetting Recommendation?

76 CB550
MotoGPWerks 4 into 1
Stock Airbox (foam uni filter)

Any time an aftermarket exhaust is bolted on and the intake remains stock, no jetting modifications are needed. No extra air in....  no extra gas is needed.

All that may be needed is a mixture screw adjustment for a slightly richer mixture.
1/4 turn usually.

If you change the intake then it changes the entire ball game.


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Re: Jetting Recommendations? MotoGPWerks Pipe CB550
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2013, 01:29:14 PM »
How can I sticky this? I got mine in the mail today... I was thinking going up one on the needle jumping to 115 mains and 42 idle.


Could you post a video of your bike running with the pipe? Curious how it sounds.

If the air intake system is stock the #42 idle jet would not be needed, just a mixture adjustment which lets more gas or air into the idle jet.
You would just need a needle position adjustment and idle jet change if you went with pods or stacks.


These forum members have experience with the CB550.
Dave1. 110 mains 40 idle jets, needle stock.1.5 turns on mixture
Stereosilence. 100 mains, 40 idle jet, needle stock,mixture 1.5
Dimitri. Same as Stereosilence.

All three are using 4 into 1 exhaust.



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