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Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« on: September 03, 2013, 06:01:25 PM »
I was wondering what everyone here does? I was thinking of this:
Drain carb bowls then spray wd40 into the throats.
Pull plugs and spray wd40 or add a table spoon of oil and slowly turn engine over.
Last I would simply add some dry gas to the tank and or drain it.
Any ideas on how this will work? I have my wr that will see most if not all of the questionable weather.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 06:16:39 PM »
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 06:22:17 PM »
Turn off your petcock and run it dry. Fill your tank and put in Stabil. Hook up your Battery Tender then kiss it good night. Simple enough.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 09:24:34 PM »
Get the long sleeve shirt out and add more gas to the tank.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 09:33:27 PM »
I like to clean the bike and block it so both wheels are off the ground along with draining carbs and either draining tank and fogging it with oil or filling with non-ethanol fuel and adding a good dose of SeaFoam to stabilize the fuel.
But the better solution is to don winter riding gear and ride when there isn't ice and snow or salt on the roads.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 11:29:16 PM »
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2013, 11:41:09 PM »
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Drain carb bowls then spray wd40 into the throats.
Best experience I have is to keep the seals in contact with gaz, so they won't dry out. So gaz remains in the floatchambers and every 2 months I drain them, pour that gaz in the gaztank and temporarily open the petcock to fill the floats again.
Ofcourse your gaztank is filled up to the neck. Addition of some stuff can help.
 
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Pull plugs and spray wd40 or add a table spoon of oil and slowly turn engine over
Old school IMO and not necessary. Better crank the engine from time to time. I do it every time I've drained the floatchambers.
From time to time roll your bike a few meters, so tires are in a different position and don't forget to activate your rearshocks so the inside rubbers won't dry out.
Do not leave battery on a socalled tricklecharger. Better charge them every 6-7 weeks or when voltage is lower than 12.4 Volts.
If climate allows, best is to keep them rolling!
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2013, 03:46:09 AM »
Winter is not till the snow comes...its only September!!

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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2013, 04:12:12 AM »
Don't stop riding...
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Also change oil before winterizing, you don't want used oil sitting there for 4 month or more.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2013, 07:36:01 AM »
I change the oil, fill the tank with gas and add some Stabil or similar product, take it out for a ride to make sure treated gas gets into the float chambers, top the tank back up, park it, remove the battery for storage in the house and then throw on the cover.

I don't usually stop riding until late November and can usually get out once or twice during the Winter when we get the inevitable 50+ degree January and February days. I pull from storage sometime in March.

Even if your bike sits for a solid 4-5 months, that isn't going to be long enough to gum up the carbs. I think most people overthink the whole storage thing.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2013, 07:57:22 AM »
full tank of fuel and maintenance charger and start once a week, and ride on decent days
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2013, 08:25:02 AM »
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Also change oil before winterizing, you don't want used oil sitting there for 4 month or more.
As long as you top up your oil, there's nothing wrong with it.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2013, 08:39:58 AM »
First of all, I would love to ride in the winter, however I have a condition that doesnt work well with cold weather. Believe me I wish I didnt. She wont ever REALLY be in hibernation. I do tend to start all of my bikes every few weeks, however I dont typically run them enough to boil the condensation out of the pipes and oil. Thats the only reason I asked. Maybe letting it sit would be better than starting them up for a few minutes each every few weeks.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2013, 09:16:27 AM »
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Also change oil before winterizing, you don't want used oil sitting there for 4 month or more.
As long as you top up your oil, there's nothing wrong with it.

Except the blowby of combustion gases that contain sulfur and with water it will create sulfuric acid and thats a  small portion of the acidic problems in oil.
 
There are numerous corrosive acids that can and will form - caused by short trips, oil cannot burn off the moisture, so we get our chemical reaction, or condensation in general.

For $20 for oil and filter I would not take a chance by just topping it up.


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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2013, 09:25:48 AM »
Although I try to ride throughout the winter, I am in New England so it's not always feasible.  If it's above 30 degrees and not icy or snowy, then I'll be riding. 

I change the oil right before it looks like we might get a long stretch of cold weather, and then change it again first thing in the Spring when it's coming out of it's semi-hibernation.
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2013, 09:33:58 AM »
my "winter" is three months long (December, january, february). So I park it inside on the center stand. If the roads are clear I am on the bike. I overinflate the tires to maximum the tube can handle. battery tender, petcock off. Usually I am chomping at the bit to ride during the winter months anyway so I'll start it at least twice during those months just to be near something running with two wheels. I don't bother with, stabil (I used to but it got expensive - now I just drain tanks if the bike is in deep storage). I have owned this bike for a long time and I haven't cleaned the carbs in 10 years. She runs sweet as a top and I usually check the sync in march but she hasn't needed a sync in a couple of years. 
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2013, 09:52:00 AM »
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and then change it again first thing in the Spring when it's coming out of it's semi-hibernation
You seriously change new unused oil?
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2013, 10:05:06 AM »

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and then change it again first thing in the Spring when it's coming out of it's semi-hibernation
You seriously change new unused oil?

Agreed. That is a waste of money and not nice to the environment.

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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2013, 10:17:10 AM »
I look at it more as flushing the system out.  And it's usually not just sitting there.  Like I said, I ride it throughout the winter, just not as much.  So I don't get a full 3000 miles out of it, but probably 1000 or so.  I also use different weights for the different seasons, so that's another reason.
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2013, 10:25:54 AM »
i just drive in ...and park it
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2013, 10:28:34 AM »
I know mechanics that use the oil they drained of serviced customer bikes in their own.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2013, 05:41:55 PM »
Would like to know what you guys do to protect the chrome especially the headers and muffler. I use ACF50 but was thinking of using WD40.

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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2013, 07:01:13 PM »
I use RemOil on everything in the shop I don't want to rust due to Virginia Humidity.  RemOil is better rust preventer that WD40.
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Re: Winter storage? How do all of us prepare and prep for winter?
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2013, 08:46:25 PM »
Here's a little paper I did for some customers a few years ago on the subject...YMMV and all that...





Winterizing your motorcycle—how to not spend money on having me fix your carburetors in the Spring!


   The practice of properly storing your motorcycle for the Winter is good for a number of reasons.  First, you'll be able to start it right up in the Spring, which is nice.  Second, since the worst thing for a motorcycle is sitting around for long periods of time, the least you can do to make the long rest not cause any harm to the bike is to properly store it.  Third, batteries and other parts that need replacement after improper storage are expensive—you can stretch their useful life-spans by not simply ignoring them over the Winter.

   So, what constitutes "proper" storage then?  There are quite a few different things you can do to make the long Winter's nap less troublesome, a few of which are considered mandatory, and many that could be considered Really Good Ideas.  For purposes of this article, I'll break them into two groups:  "Must-do's" and "Probably-should-do's".

                                                        Must-do's

Fuel preparation and stabilization

   Gasoline will (and does) evaporate while sitting, leaving a particularly troublesome residue if left untreated for very long.  After the volitile components of the fuel have evaporated, the liquid remaining smells like varnish, won't burn, and will block passages in the carburetors and fuel system.  What to do:


·   Treat the fuel system with gas stabilizer, making sure to add it to fresh gas.

·   Ride the bike with the treated fuel for at least 20 miles before shutting down.

·   If practical, drain the carburetor(s)--completely.  If this is not practical, then...

·   Leave the carbs full of treated fuel, making sure to turn on the gas occasionally during the Winter to replenish the evaporated fuel with fresh.

·   Top off the tank before storing to prevent rust from forming in the tank.





Battery charging and maintenance

   The useful life of a motorcycle battery is usually between 2-5 years.  At a cost of $35-$150 per battery, it makes a lot of sense to not volunteer to buy one every year or two because it didn't survive the Winter.  So, how do we go about maximising our electron investment?  Here's what to do:


·   If practical, remove the battery from the bike, removing the negative cable first. Leaving the battery in the bike really won't matter, but it will mean that you have to spend time in the garage instead of the house tending the battery.

·   If there are caps on the top of the battery, remove them carefully and fill each cell with distilled water such that the level is just above the tops of the plates inside—look for the marks on the side of the case.  If it is a sealed battery, don't worry about this step.

·   Connect it to a maintenance charger/maintainer.  Leave it plugged in and on.  Battery Tender is one name brand, but there are many others on the market.

·   If you don't have a maintenance charger, use a small (1 amp or less) charger for a few hours every 2-3 weeks during the Winter.  Avoid over-charging.

·   Alternatively, you can just connect the battery leads that come with the maintenance charger to the battery while in the bike, route the cord somewhere convenient, and then just plug it in when you park the bike in the garage.  Easy!
   


                                                    Probably should do's



Oil changing

   Oil is the life blood of your motorcycle's engine.  Dirty oil is not good to let sit in your motorcycle's engine over the Winter.  Why?  Because after oil is contaminated with the products of an internal combustion engine, it carries those corrosive properties with it until it is drained.  Water condensation, combustion residues, and material particulate from the clutch are all present in used oil.  Kept operating, the net effect of these elements on an engine are minimal.  Leave heavily contaminated oil to sit for extended periods inside your expensive engine that is chock full of precision parts however, and it's better for both your wallet and your blood pressure to just change it before storage.  If it makes you feel better, you can use any cheap oil for the Winter nap, just change it again in the Spring to your favorite (incredibly expensive) brand and all will be well.


Engine fogging

   Spraying a coating of aresol spray oil into the cylinders goes a long way toward insuring against any corrosion or sticking between the piston rings and cylinder walls while idle.  The recommended procedure on most brands of fogging oil is to run the engine while spraying the nozzle into the airbox, keeping it alive as  long as possible while the fog of oil chokes out the spark and kills the engine.  I prefer a different method however.  Since the fogging action of the aresol oil is such a think haze, just remove each spark plug and spray liberally into each cylinder before replacing the plugs—job done!


Intake and exhaust care

   The last air filter I removed from a customer's bike had bird seed in the air filter.  Each pleat was neatly stuffed with tiny seeds of promised Winter provision for some tiny rodent.  I don't know how they get in there—but they do.  Plastic bags over the ends of the exhaust and rags stuffed into any available intake passages will help to frustrate the little buggers.  The best tip to keep rodents away from your ride is to keep anything they might consider food far away from anything you don't want them to hide it in.


Surfaces

   Wash and wax your ride before storage.  Spray WD40 on the chrome surfaces.  Use Armor-All on the rubber and vinyl—leather treatment on the leather.  Clean the fork tubes of all dirt and baked on bug guts.  Clean the bike, baby!


I hope you have enjoyed reading my litle treatise on motorcycle storage tips.  Above all, please remember that a properly executed storage strategy will have you revving your engine the first time you try it in the Spring.  Having no storage plan is pretty much guaranteed to frustrate both you and your wallet, and even if it starts after the first Winter, it's just a matter of time before it just won't anymore.

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