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Offline DiCi

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calliper fitment
« on: September 05, 2013, 07:57:11 PM »
are these the stock forks to a cb750f1 ? and is it possible to install a second calliper and disc ?
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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2013, 08:35:49 PM »
Yes and Yes!!

This is my F0 w/ the dual brakes I have added, stock fork legs.  I have, but have not yet mounted the calipers

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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 07:40:20 AM »
Thanks for the quick response, do you happen to have the part #'s for the upgrade ? Caliper ? Disc? Brake master cylinder? Did you go with SS brake lines ?
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 08:16:03 AM »
Well I do not have the part numbers.  I think any front rotor will fit on the right side and I just ordered one off EB, same with the caliper.  If you have not purchased Hondaman's book I would recommend you consider it, he discusses the differences in caliper, and how to do the upgrade at length in his book and lots, lots more.

Its a long story but basically Honda manufactured the front legs with mirror image lugs to support the addition of the 2nd rotor from the factory, so it is not a big deal to add the 2nd rotor and caliper.  There is an older caliper ("C" bracket) , I'm thinking K3 and back that would work, but with more significant changes.  The stock bracket ("T" bracket) on the F1 is the newer and you just need to find another one along with a rotor.

There are two significant issues you have to address in order to do the upgrade.  You need 6 longer bolts to properly secure the 2nd rotor on the hub.  The ideal set of bolts is from a GL 1000 hub, but are typically very hard to find.  I'm thinking the stock bolts (I know exactly but am just quickly responding here) are like 105MM and what you need are like 115MM.  I was able to source a set of SS bolts in the aftermarket to use for this application.

The 2nd issue is how to drive the tach on the right side with the addition of the 2nd rotor.  Hondaman discusses options in his book and there is a guy here on the forum that offers an aluminum machined part, which is what I am doing.

There is an urban legend about the CB550 tach drive being used on the CB750 as an alternative but apparently this is not true so don't go running down that rabbit hole.
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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2013, 08:57:38 AM »
Thanks for the great info, will surely look into buying hondamans book!, I remember reading somewhere that a simple master brake cylinder upgrade can make a huge difference on its own , what are your views on this info ?


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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 08:57:49 AM »
Thanks for the great info, will surely look into buying hondamans book!, I remember reading somewhere that a simple master brake cylinder upgrade can make a huge difference on its own , what are your views on this info ?


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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 09:03:28 AM »
its an easy mod, done over a weekend.
there are many good threads on the subject.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=53532.50

you'll have to make some mods of the speedo drive plate, and shimming of the caliper arm, but other than that, its pretty much plug n play...

check pg 3 of my bike thread..
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=105018.50
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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 09:46:36 AM »
I have not heard that just a master cylinder upgrade is beneficial.  In general the braking system of the early '70's was/is marginal, changing the master cylinder does not really help this.

In my case I did chose to upgrade the brake lines to SS, had/have to change the original brake lines in any case due to their age so why not take advantage of the more firm/quicker response of the SS.

In my case I chose to stay with the original master cylinder for the front per Hondamans recommendation, although I did a complete rebuild of both master cylinders and all three calipers.  In my case the pistons were not so far gone (rusted) as to require replacement so I buffed them up with 600 wet/dry, but am replacing the square seals on all three calipers as this seems to be a cause for most of the brakes sticking and not retracting properly which is the specific function of the square profile piston seal.

I had considered moving the front calipers to the rear of the fork tubes as some have done but did not realize what issues that created.  They can be overcome, but I decided not to make that change.  Specifically the bleed valves are no longer at the low point of the system and I think the stock front fender no longer fits, but I may be wrong on that issue.  Anyway was not worth the change for me.

ALL is possible, you kinda need to decide what it is you want at the end of the day.  In my case I wanted to remain as stock as possible but did want to overcome a specific deficiency of the SOHC CB750 and add the 2nd caliper to the front fork, the F2/F3 have two calipers up front.
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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2013, 09:53:24 AM »
Again I appreciate your knowledgeable info, I'm aiming to improve the stoping power as we all know the stock setup leaves a lot to be desired, I want to keep the look of stock and yet not sacrifice performance all at a reasonable cost! (Not sure if that's possible) I also would like to look at replacing the rear drum with a disc/caliper setup!


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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 10:16:09 AM »
I made a rash assumption when you said "F1" in your opening and assumed we were talking about an F1 which does have a disk brake on the rear.
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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 01:12:50 PM »
Hmmm -- my bad! My registration says its a 1975 CB750 super sport Four , I assumed it to be a F1 model,


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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 01:19:25 PM »
only your engine and frame vin can say for sure
the bike in your avatar certainly is a K
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2013, 01:25:22 PM »
Well a '75, CB750F is considered an "F0," '76, F1, '77, F2 & '78, F3 and more specifically ALL of the "F's" have disk rear brakes, not a drum brake so if you have a drum brake its not an "F."
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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 01:34:27 PM »
now i'm starting to scratch my head ! i must of bought a hybrid rebuild !
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2013, 01:45:25 PM »
The definitive as mentioned is your engine and frame numbers.  Go here to break the code (http://www.hondachopper.com/engine/engine_timeline/timeline.html)
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2013, 01:47:55 PM »
Is the vin and frame code one and the same thing ?


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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2013, 01:56:34 PM »
I believe the VIN would typically be the same as your frame number but just compare them to confirm.  The engine number is not going to be listed on the title and is a different number.
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Re: calliper fitment
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2013, 02:10:50 PM »
Hmmm..253... according to the chart i got a K5
well, i'll be a monkey's uncle :-)
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2013, 02:31:11 PM »
Where should I look on the engine to find the serial#?


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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2013, 02:55:09 PM »
Left side just behind the starter motor cover

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2013, 03:14:01 PM »
you're right on the button, engine serial # E2417xxx, its a K5

thanks for your input ! much appreciated!
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