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Offline Bradleyjb

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Off center rear wheel/tire
« on: September 14, 2013, 01:53:41 PM »
It's been a long road getting to this point, but everything is back from powder coat and I'm putting things back together. As I was doing this, however, I noticed my rear tire/rim/hub are all off center almost 1/2" towards the chain side, which, not only looks funky from behind, but will cause my chain alignment to be off. Kind of hard to tell from the pictures. Has anyone encountered this before? Have any suggestions?

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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 01:57:47 PM »
The only thing I see that might have caused it is when the wheel was relaced it was laced off center.

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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 02:42:53 PM »
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The only thing I see that might have caused it is when the wheel was relaced it was laced off center.

That would certainly make a difference to the rim position, but would not change the position of the hub and sprocket on the spindle. Could it just be that you need different spacers? How does the brake side line up?
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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 04:40:01 PM »
Center the wheel with different spacers. If this is all the original parts from PC, I doubt they laced the rim offset. Space it where the chain lines up and go from there!!


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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2013, 04:52:40 PM »
Brake side seems to line up ok

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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2013, 04:57:45 PM »
hi.. I'd like to be able to help if I can..am experiencing very similar problems..the half inch thing made me take note. half inch is almost exactly 13mm which is the difference between the width of a 76 and earlier cb wheel assembly and the k7 (77+) assembly. Your swing arm from the shape of the axle bosses looks to be pre 77..easiest way to check is if they are 12 mm thick they are, if they are 10mm thick they are 77+. So if that checks off it has to be in the assembly..Your sprocket carrier has the little strengthening 'webs' in the casting..that checks with a pre-77 cb too..these dont have them and the sprocket in them is offset more to the engine side of the bike..so yours looks to be right. The shape of the wheel spacer on the brake side is the right 'cotton reel' type shape (28 mm long?)..so that looks good too. I notice on the sprocket side pic..the is very little clearance between the sprocket carrier and swing arm axle boss. I measured the spacer that goes there for you..it should be 18mm long (assuming mine is correct). If that checks too, Im thinking we may have the same problem..1) -the centre spacer inside the hub that goes between the two wheel bearings. I only have one for a known 77 model..it measures 81.5 mm long..its slightly mushroomed so I'm guessing it should be 82. I know it's a downer pulling new bearings out of a finished assembly but it would be worth checking..if you have verniers you could use the depth gauge function in the axle hole and subtract 30mm for the bearings..you still have to take the aluminium bearing cap out though..this will give you the length. I have read somewhere there are different lengths of these spacers for the two models. 2)- was by any chance, the rim you took off the wheel 17 inch? If it was, there's a strong possibility that it was a k7 wheel. The difference between the two outer spacers of either model, is exactly 13 mm (half inch) which makes me suspect the hubs are different though everyone tells me they are the same (no one has given me measurements to back that up though)..could be the smoking gun. I've also been told the wheels aren't centred in the different bikes..this just doesn't sound right to me..hope this is of some help..would be very interested to know how you get on.
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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2013, 04:39:25 AM »
The spacer on the left seems to be in the hub a little too far.  Did you change the wheel bearings?



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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2013, 12:53:11 PM »
I would prefer to find out what the problem is before just swapping spacers. It's like when you have an electrical problem and you take it apart, find nothing wrong, put it back together and now it works. I'm happy it works but pissed I don't know what caused it.

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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2013, 01:27:39 PM »
Really off? How it look like on photo depends on the photo angle.
Measured if front sprocket is not aligned with rear? Sprockets mounted correct..?

Here how it look like on my bike, CB750K6-76. My rear swing is an older K2 since my K6 swing lost its ears for the drive case. Swings do not differ much i have compared them side by side, on top of each other

Anyway, photos to compare with. My wheels are re-laced with new rims and spokes. Did it the same way as I have done some times before many years ago. Making lacing wrong will be very visible.


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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2013, 01:59:16 PM »
More photos to compare swing arms.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2013, 03:49:46 PM »
Really off? How it look like on photo depends on the photo angle.
Measured if front sprocket is not aligned with rear? Sprockets mounted correct..?

Here how it look like on my bike, CB750K6-76. My rear swing is an older K2 since my K6 swing lost its ears for the drive case. Swings do not differ much i have compared them side by side, on top of each other

Anyway, photos to compare with. My wheels are re-laced with new rims and spokes. Did it the same way as I have done some times before many years ago. Making lacing wrong will be very visible.




As mentioned earlier, lacing wrong would have no bearing on the offset of the sprocket, only on where the rim is set.

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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 12:44:29 AM »

The spacer on the left seems to be in the hub a little too far.  Did you change the wheel bearings?

I did. Everything internal is new...


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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 12:51:09 AM »

Really off? How it look like on photo depends on the photo angle.
Measured if front sprocket is not aligned with rear? Sprockets mounted correct..?

Here how it look like on my bike, CB750K6-76. My rear swing is an older K2 since my K6 swing lost its ears for the drive case. Swings do not differ much i have compared them side by side, on top of each other

Anyway, photos to compare with. My wheels are re-laced with new rims and spokes. Did it the same way as I have done some times before many years ago. Making lacing wrong will be very visible.

It's hard to tell from my pictures, you're right, but the sprockets are definitely not aligned. I believe I mounted them correctly, but even if I didn't, it still doesn't explain how or why the whole hub/wheel/tire is off center...

I think I'm just going to have to align everything correct and make new spacers.


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Re: Off center rear wheel/tire
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2013, 05:30:16 PM »
I think I'm just going to have to align everything correct and make new spacers.
Why if it was correct before then something is put together wrong.