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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #850 on: March 12, 2015, 09:50:25 pm »
The brass, rubber and aluminum is all here. Was just about to get it back together, then got stuck here

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,145870.0.html

So shiny! 8) replied to thread in your link.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #851 on: March 15, 2015, 04:41:15 pm »
Thanks Dave, carbs are on hold again, forgot I need the float height tool before I can put them on the back plate anyway. Silicone grease is used to preserve that rubber grommet, and mineral oil is recommended for the slides, so will be doing that as soon as the tool arrives. Hadn't had much time for anything as the wife isn't feeling too well and work hours just went insane. Hopefully some progress soon, wish I had someone nearby to help button the motor back together. After that I KNOW I'll get it done 10x faster.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #852 on: March 15, 2015, 05:32:34 pm »
Thanks Dave, carbs are on hold again, forgot I need the float height tool before I can put them on the back plate anyway. Silicone grease is used to preserve that rubber grommet, and mineral oil is recommended for the slides, so will be doing that as soon as the tool arrives. Hadn't had much time for anything as the wife isn't feeling too well and work hours just went insane. Hopefully some progress soon, wish I had someone nearby to help button the motor back together. After that I KNOW I'll get it done 10x faster.
Engines are like Thanksgiving. 3 weeks of prep to 3 hours of feast.  Engines may be worse.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #853 on: March 15, 2015, 09:30:58 pm »
Thanks Dave, carbs are on hold again, forgot I need the float height tool before I can put them on the back plate anyway. Silicone grease is used to preserve that rubber grommet, and mineral oil is recommended for the slides, so will be doing that as soon as the tool arrives. Hadn't had much time for anything as the wife isn't feeling too well and work hours just went insane. Hopefully some progress soon, wish I had someone nearby to help button the motor back together. After that I KNOW I'll get it done 10x faster.
Engines are like Thanksgiving. 3 weeks of prep to 3 hours of feast.  Engines may be worse.

The rep multiple is way more than the assembly. When the time comes, get hold of me, or someone else to talk you through it.
HA! I know the feeling, because I spend those 3 weeks trying to keep the missus calm and assuring her that everything will be just perfect  ;D ;D

I have it all ready, trans is assembled, have all new chains, clutch, rollers, o-rings, bearings, sealers, hondabond etc. ready. Just need to take a day or two off and get to it. Thanks for the offer Ron, I might just take you up on that.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #854 on: March 22, 2015, 11:23:16 pm »
All new brass and rubber went on the carbs today. Hated touching those polished crowns and bowls but oh well, they aint gonna stay pretty forever. Float height set to 26mm, everything just hand snug, needles on the middle notch, silicone lube on the throttle rods and Singer mineral machine oil on the slides. Clear/Blue zinc is holding up nicely but gets messy too easily.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #855 on: March 22, 2015, 11:27:11 pm »
Fork lifters got brand new boots.

THEN, the one step back. I had the damned lifter forks installed backwards  :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(

Funny thing is, no one noticed it because I put the back plate together a while back :o

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #856 on: March 23, 2015, 02:58:50 pm »
Nevermind the above, it was 2:00 AM after a crazy double shifter. Forks are installed correct, I did however botch the position of the choke slide lever on #3 and #4 (Pic 1). Managed to correct that without taking it apart at all. Finished!

Gotta say, after the work that's involved in syncing the throttle and choke slides, people offering rebuild service for these are wayyy too generous.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #857 on: March 23, 2015, 07:15:48 pm »
Looks gorgeous Rafi !!! Did you rechromed those fork lifters??

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #858 on: March 23, 2015, 07:53:45 pm »
Excellent work Rafi!

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #859 on: March 23, 2015, 08:50:54 pm »
Wow.... those carbs looks nice!

Very impressed.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #860 on: March 23, 2015, 09:51:17 pm »
Thank you fellas, you're all very kind.

@Danyo no, lifters were used as is, took the best two I had of the three sets of carb racks I have. Saved a second good set for the K3.


For those just catching up, they were ultrasonically cleaned,

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126735.msg1542350.html#msg1542350

every last bit of hardware was replated with zinc and chromated clear/blue,

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126735.msg1598663.html#msg1598663

crowns and bowls were polished to chrome like finish.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,126735.msg1601319.html#msg1601319
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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #861 on: March 24, 2015, 07:23:37 am »
Dang that's some shine!
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She's a mix-matched (former) basket case, but she's mine.

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Calculating the correct input circumference for digital speedometers connected to the original speedometer drive

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #862 on: March 30, 2015, 07:11:32 pm »
Installed the last of the SKFs for this build. Oil pump and starter motor are the only excuses I have left to dally engine assembly. Can't seem to shake off this nervousness  >:( >:(

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #863 on: March 30, 2015, 07:21:32 pm »
Installed the last of the SKFs for this build. Oil pump and starter motor are the only excuses I have left to dally engine assembly. Can't seem to shake off this nervousness  >:( >:(
Uh, starter motor is no excuse, get to work! 8) what's the worst that can happen, a small leak?? ;D ;D

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #864 on: April 01, 2015, 09:21:46 pm »
Installed the last of the SKFs for this build. Oil pump and starter motor are the only excuses I have left to dally engine assembly. Can't seem to shake off this nervousness  >:( >:(
Uh, starter motor is no excuse, get to work! 8) what's the worst that can happen, a small leak?? ;D ;D
;D ;D

Don't have all the parts for the starter, so put the oil pump back together (short on time too during the work week).

The impellers: I have a near NOS oil pump I bought from Bill with immaculate impellers, saving that for the 836 K3. The K2's original pump was in good shape, but the impellers and the end caps both had a bit of scarring. They were deemed adequate for a stocker, but I wasn't quite happy with them. So I bought me a set of barely used impellers and end caps with very very little wear from Godffrey.

Outer two impellers are new(er), left two end caps are new(er).

The seals: Elan's super kit + bypass valve spring and a NOS oil screen I chased down a year ago took care of it all.

The rest: I had to drill out a screw or two, can't remember so got new replacements.


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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #865 on: April 01, 2015, 09:28:56 pm »
The metal walled seal is a very snug fit and the shaft goes through it a bit tight. I lubed things up with the same mineral oil and everything went in buttery smooooooooooth. After I put that section together, I noticed that the gear pulls out a bit. Wasn't sure if it was supposed to do that so used the bat phone  ;D ;D ;D Then realized, I have the K3 oil pump sitting in a bag somewhere, so I went and checked it out, that one pulls out the same length so moved along.

Put it all together AND THEN, IT HAPPENED!! I conquered my fear of torquing schit  ;D ;D ;D JIS bit from my Heavy Duty impact driver fits perfectly in an 8mm socket (Thanks Gordon). Dean's vid series was a great help too. Will prime it the night before putting the cases together.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #866 on: April 02, 2015, 04:48:32 am »
JIS bit from my Heavy Duty impact driver fits perfectly in an 8mm socket

Brilliant! Good to know...
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Delkevic Stainless 4-1 Header, Cone Engineering 18" Quiet Core Reverse Cone, K&N Filter in Drilled Airbox
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CB750 Shop Manual (all years), searchable text PDF
Calculating the correct input circumference for digital speedometers connected to the original speedometer drive

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #867 on: April 03, 2015, 09:36:18 pm »
Scheduled to work all the way until 5:00PM Monday  :( :( Had some time to get organized to close up the cases, took about 18 months but I now have every single bolt, o-ring washer and nut for the engine NOS ;D ;D

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #868 on: April 04, 2015, 02:29:37 pm »
Caught a quick break, installed  a new seal on the starter clutch, red line assembly lubed it up, tricked the damned clutch with toothpicks so I could slide the gear in place, torqued it down in three steps to 72Ft-lbs, double nutted removal of bent timing shaft. I can't remember exactly, but the starter gear only spins one way right?

Next break, cleaning gasket surfaces and thread chasing everything.

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #869 on: April 05, 2015, 08:04:42 am »
Yes starter gear only spins one way. If it goes in either direction then you have no electric start...
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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #870 on: April 06, 2015, 09:06:07 pm »
Got some final cleaning done, all the old hondabond is off, lower case is sitting sealed up after I thread chased every single threaded hole. Good thing I did that, turns out despite my compulsive masking when I painted them, there was still some paint that bled into one of the threaded holes where the oil hoses meet the crank. Filled it up with acetone to break it loose, then the thread chaser removed the gunk.

Finished cleaning the gasket surface on the top half, will need to do the rest next break, which is Wed at 6:00PM :o While I was cleaning out the hondabond, I noticed that these two things on both side that look like oil returns, aren't the same size. The dyno side has large holes, points side has one big and one tiny little dinky of a passage. Should I leave it be or drill it out?

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #871 on: April 06, 2015, 09:13:30 pm »
These holes varied between the different cases. There isn't any pressure on them, so if they drain, that's all it takes.
That said, sometimes I have found flash from a mold that some tech did not clean out: this often shows up in the "horror" pictures we occasionally see where someone cleaned their oil pan and found them, years later. It's usually some flash casting edge that escaped the initial sandblast treatment that was used to remove casting scale, etc., when the parts were once new. If it is flash, it will be thin enough that a good tap with a screwdriver tip will break through it: if so, then think about filing it away so it won't risk a trip through the gears someday?
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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #872 on: April 06, 2015, 09:21:31 pm »
Thanks Mark! I'll take a closer look and post back, it didn't seem too thin but I could be wrong...

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #873 on: April 11, 2015, 03:17:52 pm »
So the crankcase oil return casting is pretty solid, didn't knock loose with considerable tapping, so I'll leave it be. Moved on to getting stuff together to close the cases, started with the crank and connecting rods. All new bearings, bolts torqued up to 14.5ft-lbs which honestly doesn't feel too tight, but that's what the manual and Mark's book call for, so leaving it be (unless advised otherwise).

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Re: 1972 CB750 Four K2 -- Project "Ice Cream"-- SLOW ASSEMBLY
« Reply #874 on: April 11, 2015, 07:39:44 pm »
All new clutch, pre-soaked the plates then assembled the main shaft, some ceran wrap to keep debris out.