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Offline Dion

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Oil pumps
« on: August 26, 2013, 11:32:49 am »
Hi chaps,  I am currently building a 750 sohc using 836 pistons, new rods, cam, etc. so I am putting quite a few bucks into the build. I can't find a replacement oil pump. I have concerns using a 40 year old pump. What do u chaps do when it comes to oil pumps?...
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2013, 11:49:22 am »
Very interesting timing. I just got off the phone with Kenny @ CycleX....there will be oil pumps (more like rebuild kits) in the near future. It will include new rotors, end caps and drive shaft seal. The new pieces will be made to closer tolerances and better materials. The original rotor housing and mounting plate will be the same. I believe the relief valve spring will be a bit heavier.
 I believe Kenny will be offering replacement "leak stopper" rubbers. Not sure when that will happen but there is movement.
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2013, 11:53:28 am »
Quote from: dbeerd on August 26, 2013, 11:32:49 am
Hi chaps,  I am currently building a 750 sohc using 836 pistons, new rods, cam, etc. so I am putting quite a few bucks into the build. I can't find a replacement oil pump. I have concerns using a 40 year old pump. What do u chaps do when it comes to oil pumps?...
For now I find a pump with best parts in it. I measure/clean up the rotor tips and sides with 400 paper as well as the inside of the caps. I replace the drive shaft seal ( a PITA) and the cap orings. I replace the oil stopper rubber though they are NLA ( I have some new spares).
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 07:12:49 am »
Hi chaps, found a 18 OD diameter oil seal with same ID for the pump and milled the pump to accept this seal. So this issue is resolved. The seal costs R10 ($1). Any ideas what to do about the oil stopper rubber?
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 09:10:39 am »
Member here just announced he is gonna make some.
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 10:10:33 am »
Sent him a mail last week and he only offered me a second hand part  :(
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 10:23:57 am »
Have some new(!) ones in stock.

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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 07:03:26 am »
If we could get a manufacturer to make us a run of the correct size oil seals , do u think anyone would want ?
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2013, 07:11:39 am »
Quote from: dbeerd on September 09, 2013, 07:03:26 am
If we could get a manufacturer to make us a run of the correct size oil seals , do u think anyone would want ?

That's exactly what I was trying to tell you:

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=126362.0

already in process.
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2013, 08:33:25 am »
Quote from: dbeerd on September 08, 2013, 07:12:49 am
Hi chaps, found a 18 OD diameter oil seal with same ID for the pump and milled the pump to accept this seal. So this issue is resolved. The seal costs R10 ($1). Any ideas what to do about the oil stopper rubber?

Stock oil pump shaft seals are available from Honda as an early Gold Wing part. It is a xxxxx-300-xx part. The -300 signifies 750 however you will NOT see this part listed on a 750 schematic.

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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 09:44:39 am »
And I have a great source for O rings and seals up in the New England area.............
these are the ones that I had made for the bottom end automatic kits.........So far there haven't been
any complaints

Let me know if I can help

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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 12:00:19 pm »
sooo... can we assume that the whole number is the one shown in the above photo: 91208-300-003  ?

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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 12:11:04 pm »
Quote from: 01Thomas on September 09, 2013, 12:00:19 pm
sooo... can we assume that the whole number is the one shown in the above photo: 91208-300-003  ?

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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 02:32:11 pm »
Quote from: 01Thomas on September 09, 2013, 12:00:19 pm
sooo... can we assume that the whole number is the one shown in the above photo: 91208-300-003  ?

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Yes we can. Sorry, thought it was obvious  ???  The other o-rings are for the sides of the pump.
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 04:27:15 pm »
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 11:01:44 am »
Thanks JRG. The number for the o-rings is also a help.
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Re: Oil pumps
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2013, 11:17:41 am »
..and after that, what is the wisdom on replacing the relief valve spring with a stronger one/shimming it how much) to raise oil pressure?
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