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francesb

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Before I pull the carbs apart....
« on: May 18, 2005, 05:03:27 AM »
For the first time ever, I have gas coming out of the gas overflow hose (far right side). Before I take the carbs apart and look for a stuck float or clogged needle, is there any thing quick and small that I could test out? FWIW, I have new inline filters, new K & N air filter, and the damn thing is idling between 3000-4000, when it should be just above 1000,  think.

thanks all,
frances
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MetalHead550

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Re: Before I pull the carbs apart....
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2005, 06:32:34 AM »
Hey!  Did it run good before the filter change?  If so then your carbs are probably fairly clean and the float is just hung up.  My 75 550 was doing that after I took it out of winter storage, I just gave all the float bowls a good tap with a scewdriver handle and that would free up the stuck float/floats.  I also took out my mixture screw after noting its position and filled the bowls with carb cleaner, let it set overnight, then drained them.  Bike runs excellent!  As for the fast idle of course check the main idle screw first.  Did you put K&N pod filters on it?  If so then you have created a lean fuel mixture if you didnt put bigger jets in too.  The carbs are able to take in a larger volume of air so the air/fuel ratio is lean which would cause a faster idle.  Does the bike pop at the carbs and fall on its face when reving past 5-6k under a load?

francesb

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Re: Before I pull the carbs apart....
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2005, 07:35:25 AM »
No, the filter is in the standard airbox, not pods. It ran well before putting the air filter in, but that was also before I stored the bike for the winter (yes, I drained the carbs). Would that filter change the fuel mixture? I'll try banging the carb before pulling it off.

grazie,
frances

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Re: Before I pull the carbs apart....
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2005, 12:07:26 PM »
Draining the carbs before storage is the right thing to do.  But, it does allow any residue in the carbs to harden up.  So, the float pivots could be stuck, the float needle could be stuck or a little piece of crud is blocking the float valve from completely closing.  Certainly removal and cleaning will correct this problem and if you are eager to wrench, do proceed.  However, sometimes the, now drenched, fuel bowls will soften things up inside the carbs to free things up in a day or two.  Also, if the overflow is not too bad, operating the bike for and hour or so helps to flush out the carb, too.  The machine's vibration and normal gas flow will do a bit to help keep the carb internals clean.
So, do drain the carbs and examine what comes out for contamination.  Keep filling and draining the bowls until the discharge is clean and clear.  There is some risk that the smallest orifice in the carbs, the pilot jets, will clog with any remaining debris during the run.  This is why draining the bowls clear is done before any run period.  The idle jets don't get their feed from the bottom of the bowl, but a bit higher up.  In short, sometimes, not always, just operating the bike will get it to behave properly.

Unfortunately the "remove the pilot screw and squirt carb cleaner into the hole trick" won't work with your carbs, as they have a different physical arrangement than the carbs on a 75 CB550.
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MetalHead550

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Re: Before I pull the carbs apart....
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2005, 12:18:37 PM »
No a K&N replacement filter wouldnt change the mixture.  You may try filling the float bowls with carb cleaner like I described above or you can probably get away with just tapping the float bowl of the faulty carb then taking it out for a ride and and making a few full throttle runs to "blow the cobs out."  I noticed after a couple tanks of gas and a couple hundred miles my float/floats no longer stick and it runs great, so alot of times simply running it will free up any crud that accumulated over winter storage.

MetalHead550

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Re: Before I pull the carbs apart....
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2005, 12:21:42 PM »
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Unfortunately the "remove the pilot screw and squirt carb cleaner into the hole trick" won't work with your carbs, as they have a different physical arrangement than the carbs on a 75 CB550.
Cheers,

Oh.  he posted while I was typing the last message.

Mikeshonda750F

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Re: Before I pull the carbs apart....
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2005, 04:22:57 PM »
If you havent allready.. pull your line off the gas tank and blow into the hose that feeds the carbs. Sometimes you can get a float to unstick simply by forcing the gas in at a faster rate than it can drain out of the overflow. If it doesent work it will simply come out of the carb throats and let you know its stuck.

Leave the carbs on the bike, use a small screwdriver (I use a pocket screwdriver), pry between the carb drain hole and the metal retainer, it will pop and slide foward. Tap the side of the bowl with the screwdriver and let er come out. All straight foward cleaning... i would work the float up and down while spraying it with carb cleaner.

francesb

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Re: Before I pull the carbs apart....
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2005, 05:24:31 PM »
Thanks, all!!!

I whacked the carb a few times, and it seems to have stopped leaking. Almost too good to be true....