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Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« on: September 26, 2013, 12:46:51 PM »
the moral of the story is: slow down! Speed was a factor in both accidents.

In Portland;

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2013/09/biker-going-130-mph-wrecks-on-interstate-205/

In Seattle:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2013/09/motorcyclist-dies-after-driving-off-viaduct-in-seattle/

Update. Now they are saying alcohol was a factor in at leats one of the incidences.
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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2013, 01:06:23 PM »
I don't blame speed. I blame born again bikers, aging drivers and alcohol. Not necessarily in that order.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2013, 01:38:36 PM »
There have been two cycle deaths by deer just down the street from my house recently. One was the nephew of a bike shop owner here in town.  This latest one the guy hit a deer at 4:30 AM and then a car came along and hit him and his bike. The car then rolled off the road and that driver died also. Double fatality. Pretty gruesome out here in the country area.  http://wwmt.com/news/features/featured/stories/double-fatal-being-investigated-cooper-township-2669.shtml

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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 01:43:05 PM »
I don't blame speed. I blame born again bikers, aging drivers and alcohol. Not necessarily in that order.
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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 01:45:22 PM »
The second one has an aging driver as well.   :-X
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2013, 02:12:59 PM »
I don't blame speed. I blame born again bikers, aging drivers and alcohol. Not necessarily in that order.

Where are you getting your statistic base?
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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2013, 02:19:03 PM »
My own sensory input, do you have a better method?
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 04:19:34 PM »
My own sensory input, do you have a better method?
Dunno, maybe. I looked at the CDC website.  They list motorcycle death rates by age:
"A recent CDC study found that:
    Between 2001 and 2008, more than 34,000 motorcyclists were killed and an estimated 1,222,000 persons were treated in a U.S. emergency department (ED) for a non-fatal motorcycle-related injury.
    The highest death and injury rates were among 20-24 year-olds, followed by 25-29 year-olds."

But, I also know from prior reading that a younger person is more likely to survive similar injuries that an older person might succumb to.  Relates to resiliency, and is an important consideration when simply looking at the death rates of some reports.  Head trauma injuries, for example.  The brain compacts with age so it fits looser in the skull.  A helmet that slows the skull from sudden inertia changes, doesn't slow the momentum of the brain inside the skull.

There is a MAIDS Report that may interest you.  www.maids-study.eu/   I found this about it:

"A welcome finding for many cruiser riders is likely to be that motorcyclists "between 41 and 55 years of age were found to be under-represented, suggesting that they may have a lower risk of being involved in an accident when compared to other rider age categories." However, "When compared with the exposure data, 18 to 25 year old riders were found to be over-represented." This tracks with previous studies and suggests that the rising number of older riders involved in U.S. crashes might be due simply to a rising number of older riders. However, that assumes that older European and U.S. motorcyclists have common traits as riders.

There is also the older Hurt report that data may be gleaned from.

Certainly reaction times of younger persons is faster than older, suggesting they should be better able avoid accidents.  But, older often means wiser, experienced, and better decision making so that reaction times or far less of a factor.

I would agree that as new rider, younger is probably more likely to survive than an older rider, particularly if both are looking for "thrills".

There is a percentage of "stupid" in any age group, though.

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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 04:25:54 PM »
I think a 78 year old is below par as far as alertness and reaction time.
Most over 50's with a modern sports bike tend to be "born again".
Statistics mean nothing, they are manipulated to fulfill needs.
Alcohol is a killer in any situation if overdone.
My eyes and ears feed me info, I don't need the media feeding me sh1te.
Speed does not kill, it's the sudden stop that does it.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 06:30:03 PM »
Good to know you use all available data to form your opinion.

Hope you make it to 78.
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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2013, 06:31:43 PM »
I'll try my best and have fun doing it.
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« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 06:35:04 PM by LesterPiglet »
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 06:49:14 PM »
Ya, old people suck. Anyone over 50 has no reaction time and should be band from riding 2 wheel vehicles.

This is a picture of me last weekend, I am 55 yrs. old.  That is a KX500 and I am holding the 1st place trophy I won that day.

Old people rule!   You don't get to be an old motorcycle rider by being stupid, well maybe a little stupid and a lot lucky, but whatever.

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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2013, 07:08:01 PM »
Hehehe. If you think you are old...fair enough. I'm 57.
The elderly people in these tradegys are 78, big difference. I'm not blaming the elderly drivers just stating a pertinent fact. Have you felt you are not up to par lately? What will you be like in 10-20 years? I'm under no illusion.
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'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2013, 07:13:58 PM »
I don't know if I'm the youngest guy talking here but I was 25 when I fell hard and I can say for a fact I was riding over my head the day yea I low sided my bike couple a times but that was nothing really but that one day I don't know I wasn't think and hit the guardrail at about 100 mph not fun and this is with a full face helmet on too

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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2013, 07:18:17 PM »
I was 19 when I learned my lesson Spazz. I didn't have the good fortune of experienced riders to guide me. Last big deal I had. I know a lot more now.
Get well soon mate.

Still got your good looks you lucky bastard.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2013, 07:39:27 PM »
I was 19 when I learned my lesson Spazz. I didn't have the good fortune of experienced riders to guide me. Last big deal I had. I know a lot more now.
Get well soon mate.

Still got your good looks you lucky bastard.
Well that was 4 years ago but Thanks brother my left leg got the worst end out it wasn't able to walk for 2 months then a buddy call and ask if I could grab his bike out of storage as I got my leg over it the fear set in my nerves started to get to me it sounds like a dumbass thing to do but I grabbed the biggest hand full of throttle and let clutch go by the time knew it I was on the freeway  doing wheelies
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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2013, 07:43:00 PM »
My leg after I got out of the hospital n the hardware they pulled 2years later

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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2013, 08:08:53 PM »
Maan you need to relax. Seems like you jump at things. If your not sure don't do it. There's no shame in taking advice from people with more experience. Oh man I hope you keep biking. Live long and prosper.
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2013, 08:19:03 PM »
Good to know you use all available data to form your opinion.

Hope you make it to 78.
I'm just wondering Lloyd what you use your bikes for. I live in a completely different culture(Northern Ireland) and would love to know how you use your bikes on a daily basis.
At the moment I use my 550F everyday unless it's raining and I don't really need milk because I have the dry stuff that costs a quarter of the price of real milk. BUT. MY bike is used perpetually.
It never stops. It doesn't do strange things. In the rare event(I lied) it may do strange things, I have a penknife. And silver paper.
That's all you need to know folks.    ;D
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2013, 08:47:11 PM »
Good to know you use all available data to form your opinion.

Hope you make it to 78.
I live in a completely different culture(Northern Ireland) and would love to know how you use your bikes on a daily basis.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2013, 08:54:23 PM »
Maan you need to relax. Seems like you jump at things. If your not sure don't do it. There's no shame in taking advice from people with more experience. Oh man I hope you keep biking. Live long and prosper.
That's why they call me spazz man all throttle no brake lol sometimes you need to over come the fear before you can ever move on and life again
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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2013, 08:56:53 PM »
I'm not different acording to the way things go here but I'm obviously different to the majority of the US.
We/I like to run my bike max, I have a lot of sporties to impress cos I'm like that.
I can go around corners faster than you is the way things are....I love trying it.

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« Last Edit: September 26, 2013, 09:00:07 PM by LesterPiglet »
'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings. Same with 'of' and 'have'. Set and sit. There, their and they're. Draw and drawer. Could care less/couldn't care less. Bought/brought FFS.


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Re: Deadly day of riding around the PNW
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 06:54:36 AM »
Nice titanium muffler bracket   ;)    :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 06:57:44 AM »
Nice titanium muffler bracket   ;)    :)
LoL thanks
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