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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1500 on: April 22, 2017, 12:26:00 AM »
That's a good-looking bike Chris. I hope you are getting some riding in this weekend.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1501 on: April 22, 2017, 07:51:49 AM »
Custom gauge faces would really be cool but then I'd have to wire some things again. And......well.....I'm never wiring anything else ever again.

Thanks for the kind words. Unfortunately, it snowed yesterday and is supposed to do so most of the day today (spring in the mountains) so no riding. Last night I was tired and being too much of a cupcake to do it but today I'll do another idle chop and see what that dreaded #4 plug looks like. I swear that cylinder is my nemesis. Also need to air up the tires and Loctite the bolts for the clip ons.

And I actually believe Heather would throw up if someone threw clams on her. She doesn't eat fish or anything that swims for a living. When she was a kid she used to eat tuna salad and LOVED it (as her late grandmother used to enjoy telling me the story). One day someone slipped a "fish" in after the tuna and Heather went on hunger strike because Nana had been lying to her all these years. Heather had assumed it was chicken.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1502 on: April 22, 2017, 10:13:47 AM »
I'd throw some clams toward that project!

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You think you have problems with squirrels, check this out...

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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1503 on: April 22, 2017, 12:44:10 PM »
He said the car felt squirrelly!!  ;D   ;D

I got the Woodcraft bolts smothered in Loctite and torqued down and the tires aired up. I did another 2 minute idle chop and things look exactly the same despite swapping the wires for 1/4. I suppose it could still be an issue that will resolve itself with the NGK caps but I kinda doubt it. Right now I'm thinking back to when I first rebuilt these 627B carbs and how that number four body looked internally. Here it is again.



Not sure if this could be part of the problem or not. The fourth plug is noticeably wet and more lean than 1-3. I suppose I should verify fuel level again in carb 4. I do have a set of O22A carbs that I rebuilt and tried last year but could not get running right but...I've also made a lot of changes since then too.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1504 on: April 22, 2017, 04:02:06 PM »
And the education continues. I did about 4 or 5 idle plug chops today and noticed that I was getting different results at times without having made any adjustments to the IMS screws. Also noticed (actually the other night) that the rpm was fluctuating about 300rpms at times. I started wondering about vacuum leaks today but only focused on the areas between the motor and the carbs. I used new o rings on the intake manifolds and I don't think the larger rubber boots (although really hardened) were leaking. I'm ashamed to admit this publicly but...if it will help someone else out down the road...I KNEW there were tears in the boots between the carbs and the air box. In my head I just didn't think they would be an issue but it makes sense now I guess. I assume they are allowing air in that is not at all controlled?

I will do it right and order new boots for both sides from 4 into 1 as well as some new clamps for both. Then we'll see what plug 4 looks like. There is actually a large tear on the number 4 boot that I.......ummmmmm......might have made with a screwdriver when putting them back on after the top end rebuild. Laugh if you must. I'm still learning. I won't even post a picture of that, although, several of you have now seen it. It's not pretty.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1505 on: April 22, 2017, 04:02:52 PM »
Damn. Now that I think of it I should have just blamed the chewed up boots on the squirrels.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1506 on: April 22, 2017, 04:14:40 PM »
I'm like one of these motors. They are very sensitive to air. The squirrels are the air to my inner motor.

Mmmmmmmm......cupcakes.  ;D
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1507 on: April 22, 2017, 04:19:09 PM »
I'll send doughnuts. With extra gluten.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1508 on: April 22, 2017, 05:28:12 PM »
Yeah, the squirrel did it, I'd go with that! 
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1509 on: April 23, 2017, 02:57:53 AM »
Saw this and thought it must have been written for you...
Enlarge and enjoy...
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1510 on: April 30, 2017, 11:40:49 AM »
Yesterday I got new rubbers (on both sides of the carbs) installed along with new clamps. I did a two minute idle chop just now at 1250 rpms with all screws out 3/4 of a turn. Idle was rock solid this time with no hunting at all. All 4 plugs look exactly the same. They are a touch lean which I still can't believe because for years now I've been fighting very rich plugs. Header 4 was actually hot and I wasn't able to hold on to it. We have been getting hit hard up in the high country with snow the last week and got 8" yesterday and are supposed to get more all week but I think I'm going to hold off on doing any further adjustments until I can get out for a ride and see what a WOT chop looks like.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1511 on: April 30, 2017, 03:52:34 PM »
Yesterday I got new rubbers... and got 8" yesterday

WOW I bet she is happy!
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1512 on: April 30, 2017, 05:00:35 PM »
8"? Haha!! Not even with the wind at my back!
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1513 on: May 10, 2017, 12:46:03 PM »
hey squirellman, you're nominated for BOTM. be a good squirrel, get over there and accept!

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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1514 on: May 10, 2017, 01:31:53 PM »
hey squirellman, you're nominated for BOTM. be a good squirrel, get over there and accept!

Get to it!   ;)
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1515 on: May 16, 2017, 08:46:15 AM »
Congratulations, Chris.  The Squirrel is Bike of the Month for June 2017.

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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html and https://magazine.cycleworld.com/article/1995/3/1/song-of-the-sausage-creature)

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1516 on: May 16, 2017, 07:00:51 PM »
Thanks a lot my friend.

Just to let everyone know...I'm in the final two weeks of school so I haven't been doing much to the bike but I have gotten some tuning completed. Right now I'm back to running 100/38 jets with IMS screws out 3/4 of a turn. Plugs looked great at idle. Having a bit of an issue at WOT because 105's were too rich and 100's were a touch lean. 1/2 throttle was lean so my next move is to raise the needles one clip and see what the impact is at 1/2 throttle and then recheck the WOT and see if it's better. It's the closest it's ever been to being able to enjoy it.

Thanks for all of your help and input. Everyone.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1517 on: May 17, 2017, 07:00:20 AM »
WOW..........BOTM!  CONGRATS!!  The squirrel would be happy.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1518 on: May 17, 2017, 09:33:18 AM »
Congrats Chris, everyone apparently was scared off to submitting another.
Glad she is running and hope yor tuning goes well...
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1519 on: May 17, 2017, 07:04:58 PM »
Thanks a lot Steve and David.

I did get a few minutes to go down and remove the slide and needle from carb #1 tonight. The clips are in the fourth position (towards the top and thicker portion of the needle) so that's pretty lean. I will lower the clip back to the middle slot and see what changes at 1/2 throttle. Supposed to snow tonight and all day tomorrow and into tomorrow evening though and then be crappy this weekend so I'll probably just hit the river after getting things swapped. Guess I'll also have to go back and vacuum sync the carbs again after fussing with the needles though but that probably needed to happen anyways after swapping out the torn rubbers.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1520 on: May 17, 2017, 07:21:18 PM »
Yeah. I did some head scratching. Haha!! I'm sorry. I was using the wrong numbers.

It's truly amazing what impact the porting/polishing and oversized intakes has had on things huh? Sorry for confusing things. I'm on the edge of my bean bag to get the needles swapped and see the result.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1521 on: May 20, 2017, 04:54:05 PM »
I got around to swapping the clips on the carbs today and they are all now in slot number 3. I also synced the carbs again and they were way off. The torn rubbers were obviously a major issue. I have a pretty significant amount of oil leaking from the top end and in multiple places. It's got to be the pucks. In several spots it starts right below the valve cover gasket but I used a new gasket and all bolts are tight. When I installed the pucks I used a thin layer of Hylomar on both sides and just set them in place. In hindsight, and after talking to Joey, I should have put a generous amount of Hylomar on the head side and then pushed each one into place real well and then sealed the tops of them. Curious if this is what you all do when sealing those things? Is the Hylomar acceptable to use? I'm afraid I'm going to have to address this once school is out but I guess the good news is that it's not too big a job and won't cost a ton with just new pucks and the hassle of readjusting the valves. While I'm in there I suppose I should also double check the head nuts for proper torque.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1522 on: May 21, 2017, 12:57:07 PM »
Often I've those picks are barely thick enough to seal. I hate to see a bunch of goop on those but they do need to seal...Before you install plunge the tail of your vernier in the puck groove to measure the depth and compare to the thickness of the puck. We're they OEM?

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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1523 on: May 21, 2017, 01:43:32 PM »
I'm certain they were OEM Brent. I was paranoid about having an oil leak so I made sure to use all OEM gaskets. I just didn't use enough schmutz on them. I'll find some more of them and have to address it once school is out. I've also got oil leaking out of the cam end caps where the o rings are and those were new as well.
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Re: 1976 CB500/550 Project "Squirrel"
« Reply #1524 on: May 21, 2017, 02:09:51 PM »
For a while even OEM were borderline. The last couple years I've found were thicker again. O-ring thickness is a similar issue.  >:(