Topic: Pods. What do you think?

[crazypj]

Not to say it can't run 'good' but, in my experience, if you've been riding several years you automatically 'ride around' any problem area's
Often pods work great for 'stoplight grand prix' but fall flat at 'steady state cruise' where you have to one gear higher or lower to avoid rich or lean throttle position (usually it's easier to just go faster  )
 When an inexperienced rider gets on the bike they have all sorts of problems with plugs fouling or unexplained miss-fire, cutting out, etc

[Steve_K]

I have some pods for a 550 and a 750, the cheap ones,  wanna buy them?
Steve

[TwoTired]

Don't say that a bike with pods cannot run good, it simply isn't true.

I'm going to pick on the statement, as I think it representative or "spokesmodel" for the marque.  No offense intended to you Steve.  So, don't confuse writing style with sentiment. OK?

One:  The "pods" term is way too often used as a specification where none is warranted.  It is easy to grasp the style aspect of it.  Far harder to ascertain its functional contribution while in use.  The engine doesn't have a grasp of style.  It simply responds to functional changes.  Different brands of pods can operate differently from each other, and few brands offer any performance or functional parameters to use in their selection and applicability.

Two: The term "good" in itself is imprecise at best.  My breakfast tasted good.  ... and bonus, I didn't throw up afterwards.  Tomorrow, who knows?  My bikes run well, too.  And they don't have pods.  The latter is of little surprise and there were millions of examples sold off the showroom floor that ran well, too.
I suppose in the context provided, it means "pods didn't stop me from riding it about, or barf on my boots during the particular weather patterns and time spent while I owned it".   

For the record, I don't think I said that a pod type filter can't be employed anywhere to good effect.  The issues are "which pod" and "how used". 

One thing I am certain of is, that a pod type filter won't show any improvement over stock during normal street operations.  Near or above standard red line, perhaps.  And, usually at the expense of some lower RPM operation where it is far more difficult to establish a fine tune, related to the prowess of the tuner.

What I find it amazing, is the assumption that removing and discarding, components that took thousands of developmental man hours and money, with a cheap generic un-engineered component, is somehow a technically sound thing to do.  Since when did style dictate function?

Here is Black Buti just before I sold her for $2700.

Perhaps I need to trailer up my collection and drag them to Texas, so as to pad my nest egg. 

[PeWe]

Stock air box better than pods in a stock engine, right?
What about tuned engine?
- I got the advice to buy pods when I modified the engine with 836cc, ported head, bigger inlet valves and a moderate cam.
Or can stock air box cope with that?

Other carbs will make it difficult to match the air box due to other measurements.

It's sometimes  same discussions for cars.
Many young guys take out the stock air box and use one fat pod instead.
On my car an Audi A4 1.8Turbo stock air box will run fine up to over 300hp according to tuning guys.
A simple program + sport cat+ sport exhaust that most people run gives 225-240hp + plenty of torque (std 190hp) . Over that a bigger turbo like GT28RS, injectors, bigger intercooler will make money to roll and still possible with stock air box when much over 300hp need upgraded parts inside engine... expensive...

[Stev-o]

Don't say that a bike with pods cannot run good, it simply isn't true.

I'm going to pick on the statement, as I think it representative or "spokesmodel" for the marque.  No offense intended to you Steve.  So, don't confuse writing style with sentiment. OK?

One:  The "pods" term is way too often used as a specification where none is warranted.  It is easy to grasp the style aspect of it.  Far harder to ascertain its functional contribution while in use.  The engine doesn't have a grasp of style.  It simply responds to functional changes.  Different brands of pods can operate differently from each other, and few brands offer any performance or functional parameters to use in their selection and applicability.

Two: The term "good" in itself is imprecise at best.  My breakfast tasted good.  ... and bonus, I didn't throw up afterwards.  Tomorrow, who knows?  My bikes run well, too.  And they don't have pods.  The latter is of little surprise and there were millions of examples sold off the showroom floor that ran well, too.
I suppose in the context provided, it means "pods didn't stop me from riding it about, or barf on my boots during the particular weather patterns and time spent while I owned it".   

For the record, I don't think I said that a pod type filter can't be employed anywhere to good effect.  The issues are "which pod" and "how used". 

One thing I am certain of is, that a pod type filter won't show any improvement over stock during normal street operations.  Near or above standard red line, perhaps.  And, usually at the expense of some lower RPM operation where it is far more difficult to establish a fine tune, related to the prowess of the tuner.

What I find it amazing, is the assumption that removing and discarding, components that took thousands of developmental man hours and money, with a cheap generic un-engineered component, is somehow a technically sound thing to do.  Since when did style dictate function?

Here is Black Buti just before I sold her for $2700.

Perhaps I need to trailer up my collection and drag them to Texas, so as to pad my nest egg. 

No offense taken, thanks.  I'm not here to endorse pods, I've never even purchased a set, just wanted to share my experience.

I do have a set of vintage polished Action Four velocity stacks, not sure what to do with them?

Since when did style dictate function? As far as bikes, guess when the first motorcycle was modified to "cafe style".  I know you are a "function over form" kind of guy, but many are not. Their thoughts may be if it doesn't look cool, then it simply is not. Or, they just want to be differant. Who are we to judge?

Bring your bikes to Texas to sell.....be sure to put some pods on em first if you want top dollar!  HA!

[Powderman]

Read the link I posted above to understand about the "velocity stack" design of the stock couplers and why they work and why the cheap pods don't. If you can't figure it out from there then you aren't smart enough to even own a bike you should be working on.

Powerman
So no part of what I said has doesn't have any value to it so I have no idea what I'm talking about is that what I'm reading ?
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Did you pass English class in school ? None of your previous post or this post makes any sense at all. Go back and read your own posts and you'll know why I disregarded anything you had to say. If you go back and read my post you will see I referred to "cheap pods" that restrict important passages into the carbs. If you had linked to the  thread I provided it is spelled out in pictures just how bad they are. You'll also note that I said "in most cases" . TwoTired explained it pretty well. To those who say their bikes ran good with pods my only question is that while it runs good, does it run better than stock? In most cases if you put it on the dyno you would see that it does not.

[lucky]

I have posted my video of my 1978 CB750 with velocity stacks running perfect several times.

There is nothing else I can do.
As far as torque and hp charts go, try any dyno facility and you can see many results.
I am not going to run that down for you.
Those charts have been posted on this forum .

BTW. Those exhaust gas detectors are not very accurate, just a rough estimate.
I know because I bought two of them. They will say rich at idle with the stock bike with stock idle jets. Check that out for yourself.

[tomkimberly]

Sadly, many of you did not take my advise. Discussing pods or oils turns friends into babbling idiots.     

Tom

[OldSchool_IsCool]

Guna need a second bucket of popcorn!!

[Bailgang]

As far as torque and hp charts go, try any dyno facility and you can see many results.
I am not going to run that down for you.
Those charts have been posted on this forum .

From what I understood from your build is that you never could get the 78 "PD" carbs to work well no matter how much time or $ you spent on them which is why you ended up using carbs from a K0. Is this correct? My 77 750F has PD's as well so I guess that means I better be on the look out for K0 carbs too eh?

[Bailgang]

Guna need a second bucket of popcorn!!

Now hold on a minute here, in order to keep the spirit of this thread which oil will you be using to pop that popcorn with? Canola oil, peanut oil, corn oil and so on? Surely one of them must be the best. Oh and do they make it synthetic too? 

[Retro Rocket]

Stock air box better than pods in a stock engine, right?
What about tuned engine?
- I got the advice to buy pods when I modified the engine with 836cc, ported head, bigger inlet valves and a moderate cam.
Or can stock air box cope with that?

Other carbs will make it difficult to match the air box due to other measurements.

It's sometimes  same discussions for cars.
Many young guys take out the stock air box and use one fat pod instead.
On my car an Audi A4 1.8Turbo stock air box will run fine up to over 300hp according to tuning guys.
A simple program + sport cat+ sport exhaust that most people run gives 225-240hp + plenty of torque (std 190hp) . Over that a bigger turbo like GT28RS, injectors, bigger intercooler will make money to roll and still possible with stock air box when much over 300hp need upgraded parts inside engine... expensive...

First off you can't compare cars with bikes, completely different induction systems {just saying}, 2nd, if the pods you put on your modified bike have velocity stacks in them then your bike will run fairly well, cheap pods don't function the way the induction system was designed for therefore they don't work well at all..  All modern race bikes run airboxes and stacks, there's a very good reason for that.... Still air and a smooth flow into the carbs is critical for good performance, you don't get that with pods...

[OldSchool_IsCool]

Guna need a second bucket of popcorn!!

Now hold on a minute here, in order to keep the spirit of this thread which oil will you be using to pop that popcorn with? Canola oil, peanut oil, corn oil and so on? Surely one of them must be the best. Oh and do they make it synthetic too? 

DOT 4 synthetic butter made from GMO corn oil and 15% premium ethanol, served up in a Battleax whitewall bucket!

[tomkimberly]

Guna need a second bucket of popcorn!!

Now hold on a minute here, in order to keep the spirit of this thread which oil will you be using to pop that popcorn with? Canola oil, peanut oil, corn oil and so on? Surely one of them must be the best. Oh and do they make it synthetic too? 

We don't use any oil on our popcorn, just artery clogging real butter.   

[spazz1984]

Read the link I posted above to understand about the "velocity stack" design of the stock couplers and why they work and why the cheap pods don't. If you can't figure it out from there then you aren't smart enough to even own a bike you should be working on.

Powerman
So no part of what I said has doesn't have any value to it so I have no idea what I'm talking about is that what I'm reading ?
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Did you pass English class in school ? None of your previous post or this post makes any sense at all. Go back and read your own posts and you'll know why I disregarded anything you had to say. If you go back and read my post you will see I referred to "cheap pods" that restrict important passages into the carbs. If you had linked to the  thread I provided it is spelled out in pictures just how bad they are. You'll also note that I said "in most cases" . TwoTired explained it pretty well. To those who say their bikes ran good with pods my only question is that while it runs good, does it run better than stock? In most cases if you put it on the dyno you would see that it does not.

Powderman
To answer your question no I did not pass english class and yes I do have a learning disability is there anything else you would like to know about me sir ;)
The only thing that clicks in my is nuts and bolts sorry
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[Powderman]

Read the link I posted above to understand about the "velocity stack" design of the stock couplers and why they work and why the cheap pods don't. If you can't figure it out from there then you aren't smart enough to even own a bike you should be working on.

Powerman
So no part of what I said has doesn't have any value to it so I have no idea what I'm talking about is that what I'm reading ?
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

Did you pass English class in school ? None of your previous post or this post makes any sense at all. Go back and read your own posts and you'll know why I disregarded anything you had to say. If you go back and read my post you will see I referred to "cheap pods" that restrict important passages into the carbs. If you had linked to the  thread I provided it is spelled out in pictures just how bad they are. You'll also note that I said "in most cases" . TwoTired explained it pretty well. To those who say their bikes ran good with pods my only question is that while it runs good, does it run better than stock? In most cases if you put it on the dyno you would see that it does not.

Powderman
To answer your question no I did not pass english class and yes I do have a learning disability is there anything else you would like to know about me sir ;)
The only thing that clicks in my is nuts and bolts sorry
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If that's the case then I understand why you don't understand why pods are not a good idea.

[spazz1984]

Read the link I posted above to understand about the "velocity stack" design of the stock couplers and why they work and why the cheap pods don't. If you can't figure it out from there then you aren't smart enough to even own a bike you should be working on.

Powerman
So no part of what I said has doesn't have any value to it so I have no idea what I'm talking about is that what I'm reading ?
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

Did you pass English class in school ? None of your previous post or this post makes any sense at all. Go back and read your own posts and you'll know why I disregarded anything you had to say. If you go back and read my post you will see I referred to "cheap pods" that restrict important passages into the carbs. If you had linked to the  thread I provided it is spelled out in pictures just how bad they are. You'll also note that I said "in most cases" . TwoTired explained it pretty well. To those who say their bikes ran good with pods my only question is that while it runs good, does it run better than stock? In most cases if you put it on the dyno you would see that it does not.

Powderman
To answer your question no I did not pass english class and yes I do have a learning disability is there anything else you would like to know about me sir ;)
The only thing that clicks in my is nuts and bolts sorry
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If that's the case then I understand why you don't understand why pods are not a good idea.

Well I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut because I'm just to dumb to understand anything that anyone is saying in this form all together
Thank you for pointing that out
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[Powderman]

Read the link I posted above to understand about the "velocity stack" design of the stock couplers and why they work and why the cheap pods don't. If you can't figure it out from there then you aren't smart enough to even own a bike you should be working on.

Powerman
So no part of what I said has doesn't have any value to it so I have no idea what I'm talking about is that what I'm reading ?
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

Did you pass English class in school ? None of your previous post or this post makes any sense at all. Go back and read your own posts and you'll know why I disregarded anything you had to say. If you go back and read my post you will see I referred to "cheap pods" that restrict important passages into the carbs. If you had linked to the  thread I provided it is spelled out in pictures just how bad they are. You'll also note that I said "in most cases" . TwoTired explained it pretty well. To those who say their bikes ran good with pods my only question is that while it runs good, does it run better than stock? In most cases if you put it on the dyno you would see that it does not.

Powderman
To answer your question no I did not pass english class and yes I do have a learning disability is there anything else you would like to know about me sir ;)
The only thing that clicks in my is nuts and bolts sorry
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

If that's the case then I understand why you don't understand why pods are not a good idea.

Well I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut because I'm just to dumb to understand anything that anyone is saying in this form all together
Thank you for pointing that out
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You pointed it out,not me

[spazz1984]

Read the link I posted above to understand about the "velocity stack" design of the stock couplers and why they work and why the cheap pods don't. If you can't figure it out from there then you aren't smart enough to even own a bike you should be working on.

Powerman
So no part of what I said has doesn't have any value to it so I have no idea what I'm talking about is that what I'm reading ?
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

Did you pass English class in school ? None of your previous post or this post makes any sense at all. Go back and read your own posts and you'll know why I disregarded anything you had to say. If you go back and read my post you will see I referred to "cheap pods" that restrict important passages into the carbs. If you had linked to the  thread I provided it is spelled out in pictures just how bad they are. You'll also note that I said "in most cases" . TwoTired explained it pretty well. To those who say their bikes ran good with pods my only question is that while it runs good, does it run better than stock? In most cases if you put it on the dyno you would see that it does not.

Powderman
To answer your question no I did not pass english class and yes I do have a learning disability is there anything else you would like to know about me sir ;)
The only thing that clicks in my is nuts and bolts sorry
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

If that's the case then I understand why you don't understand why pods are not a good idea.

Well I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut because I'm just to dumb to understand anything that anyone is saying in this form all together
Thank you for pointing that out
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You pointed it out,not me

Not really your the one who ask the question I just merely answer it. with the truth I'm not ashamed of it. because in the end I'm not the one who looks like a ass for beating on someone over grammar or jumbled words.I really do hope this makes you feel good  that your able to put someone down just because they can't do something all that well
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[Powderman]

Read the link I posted above to understand about the "velocity stack" design of the stock couplers and why they work and why the cheap pods don't. If you can't figure it out from there then you aren't smart enough to even own a bike you should be working on.

Powerman
So no part of what I said has doesn't have any value to it so I have no idea what I'm talking about is that what I'm reading ?
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

Did you pass English class in school ? None of your previous post or this post makes any sense at all. Go back and read your own posts and you'll know why I disregarded anything you had to say. If you go back and read my post you will see I referred to "cheap pods" that restrict important passages into the carbs. If you had linked to the  thread I provided it is spelled out in pictures just how bad they are. You'll also note that I said "in most cases" . TwoTired explained it pretty well. To those who say their bikes ran good with pods my only question is that while it runs good, does it run better than stock? In most cases if you put it on the dyno you would see that it does not.

Powderman
To answer your question no I did not pass english class and yes I do have a learning disability is there anything else you would like to know about me sir ;)
The only thing that clicks in my is nuts and bolts sorry
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

If that's the case then I understand why you don't understand why pods are not a good idea.

Well I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut because I'm just to dumb to understand anything that anyone is saying in this form all together
Thank you for pointing that out
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2

You pointed it out,not me

Not really your the one who ask the question I just merely answer it. with the truth I'm not ashamed of it. because in the end I'm not the one who looks like a ass for beating on someone over grammar or jumbled words.I really do hope this makes you feel good  that your able to put someone down just because they can't do something all that well
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Look dude, I didn't reply to your post or anything you said before you called me out by name about something I didn't do. I'm not the only that that pointed out that your post was incoherent and made no sense. I don't see you attacking him. So just drop it.

[Black 750K8]

Stop using Tapatalk2 it is NOT working

[crazypj]

I would use K&N's on a fully modded motor.
Your going to have to sort out jetting whatever you do so may as well go for the extra airflow

[dave500]

podcorn?well they are pretty corny.

[750K]

I'd used sesame oil to oil my podcorn, that is if I used podcorn.

But I fully stand behind either the stock airbox or some type of breadbox that properly set up and with carbs jetted and tuned, once you pull the stock box a few times it become easy to do. I'd rather my bike run properly than look cool at Starbucks lol

[PeWe]

I would use K&N's on a fully modded motor.
Your going to have to sort out jetting whatever you do so may as well go for the extra airflow

Thanks for the answer.

- Maybe we can have an own department for Pod lovers? 

EDIT: This thread was good for my bike and future project. Typical technical forums where debates about technical stuff is ongoing, sometimes not appreciated by everyone, very good information for others.
I have not had any thoughts about velocity stacks, but now I have since a quick search on Google.

Found this:
http://www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/408059-velocity-stacks-with-filters-for-vm29-smoothbores
And this:
http://www.z1enterprises.com/ItemDetails.aspx?item=PM72-481
And this:
http://www.z1parts.net/product/carb-velocity-stack-42mm-44mm-50mm-52mm-54mm

Mikuni VM29 Smooth bores have 44mm flange diameter. It would be nice with different lengths for differences in the tuning. As possible to order for Mikuni RS series, 15, 30 and 50 mm lenghts.

About corny subjects as pop-up in the threads. Why not the quick micro style?
Just pop and eat, no cleaning or oil and butter needed