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Offline riverfever

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What is this part?
« on: October 13, 2013, 12:10:36 PM »
I am in the process of rebuilding the carbs on my CB500. I ordered the rebuild kits from Dime City but haven't gotten them yet. I have carb #4 apart, cleaned and ready to put back together. I do not have the air screw spring. This is the cylinder that was fouling out the plug. I don't recall it being there at all. Wonder if this could have been causing the rich condition? I know I get a new spring with the kit so I'm not too worried about that. What I am worried about is the kit shows 2 pieces that I do not see at all.

http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-bobber-brat-chopper-custom-motorcycle-carburetor-parts-honda-cb550-carburetor-rebuild-kit-18-2423.html

In the picture, they are the 2 silver pieces to the left of the needle. One appears to be a washer and the other is a taller cylinder with a hole in it. What are those? The only thing I did not remove from the carb body was the butterfly valve. Do those go in there?
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Re: What is this part?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 12:33:57 AM »
Strange... although the link says 550, the picture says: fits CB500F. I wonder if that needle in the set has a number stamped in. The stamped in number for the OEM CB500 needle is: 272304. That same needle is in the 550K models, except K3 and K4 that have PDcarbs. For the OEM CB550F needle the stamped on number is: 273004.
I don't recognise the little cylinder and that little ring.
A few comments. No need to worry about that air screw spring. You can easily find one. It's not that critical to have the OEM spring. You could also use loctite, btw.
Then there's the slow jet that looks different from the original. There have been several posts about them.
In general the advice is: use the genuine Honda parts. They hardly wear if at all. All parts in my CB500 carbs, except for some rubber seals, have been in there for over 130.000 kms and still don't show signs of wear. O-rings need to be replaced sometimes. Especially the little ones around the main jets should be in good order. If that one leaks, that cylinder will run rich. You may check the tower for cracks. The set in the picture doesn't show the O-ring for the drainplug, but that one will still be OK, I guess. What makes you think you need to renew jets and needles?
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Re: What is this part?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 09:58:16 AM »
The o-ring around the main jet in #4 was in bad shape so it wouldn't surprise me if that was contributing to the rich condition. Can I buy o-rings (like for the drain plug) at a decent hardware store?

And to answer your question about why I ordered kits at all. Sheer ignorance. This is my first bike/project and I just didn't know any better. Now that I've done more research, there doesn't appear to be much that could go wrong with a needle (but again I don't know for sure). The idle jet on 3 and 4 were completely clogged (which might explain the horrible idle condition I had).
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Re: What is this part?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 11:52:12 PM »
In the picture, they are the 2 silver pieces to the left of the needle. One appears to be a washer and the other is a taller cylinder with a hole in it. What are those? The only thing I did not remove from the carb body was the butterfly valve. Do those go in there?

That silver cylinder looks to be the needle jet that sits above the emulsion tube. The needle will slide through it. The only time I have seen a washer like that used is to protect an o-ring from being damaged. Possibly between the main jet, and retainer spring?

The bits in that kit look like they are from a Keyster kit. There has been some discussion that the needles in those kits are not the correct taper, and should not be used. If your needle does not show signs of damage or excessive wear(unlikely). You will be better off just using the original pieces.
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Re: What is this part?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2013, 01:48:39 AM »
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That silver cylinder looks to be the needle jet that sits above the emulsion tube. The needle will slide through it. The only time I have seen a washer like that used is to protect an o-ring from being damaged. Possibly between the main jet, and retainer spring?
In this forum: for the 500: needle jet and emulsion tube refer to the same brass tube. What these parts are, remains a mystery.

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The bits in that kit look like they are from a Keyster kit. There has been some discussion that the needles in those kits are not the correct taper, and should not be used. If your needle does not show signs of damage or excessive wear(unlikely). You will be better off just using the original pieces.
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Re: What is this part?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2013, 06:43:45 PM »
They bag kits that work for a few different bikes because it is easier/cheaper to throw away a couple cheap little fittings here and there than pack a million different kits. They have fewer part numbers to track, etc.

Get the schematics of your carbs.
Ignore the pieces that don't fit.
Or run some silver thread through em and make a nice necklace for your GF.
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Re: What is this part?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2013, 08:11:58 PM »
Get the schematics of your carbs.

The schematics that I have seen for the early carbs are worthless. I have seen better pictures from kindergarters with crayons.
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Re: What is this part?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2013, 08:31:20 PM »
You must have some talented kindergartners in your area.
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