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Offline GroovieGhoulie

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Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« on: August 19, 2006, 06:44:15 PM »
http://www.chrome-restorer.com/

I might try some on some blued pipes.  Does it work or is it a scam?  I saw an ad in a motorcycle magazine.

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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2006, 06:56:23 PM »
I've never seen that stuff but it sure looks good if it lives up to its promise.

Here's interesting useless information about chroming and bluing.
"Proper" chrome plating consists of three steps:
1. Copper plating
2. Nickel plating
3. Chromium plating
Older English bikes (Not sure about the modern ones or Harleys etc.) used this process. Japanese "chrome" was mostly just nickel which is why it has a tendency to break down and become pitted etc.
The copper "undercoat" is the cause of bluing that is seen (most notably on older Triumphs). Because there is no copper on original Japanese bikes, they do not blue.
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2006, 07:13:06 PM »
I've never seen that stuff but it sure looks good if it lives up to its promise.

Here's interesting useless information about chroming and bluing.
"Proper" chrome plating consists of three steps:
1. Copper plating
2. Nickel plating
3. Chromium plating
Older English bikes (Not sure about the modern ones or Harleys etc.) used this process. Japanese "chrome" was mostly just nickel which is why it has a tendency to break down and become pitted etc.
The copper "undercoat" is the cause of bluing that is seen (most notably on older Triumphs). Because there is no copper on original Japanese bikes, they do not blue.

Well my dad has a 750F with the factory exhaust and the first bend right as they come off the head is bluer than I dunno what, but it's blue.

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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2006, 07:44:14 PM »
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if the bike is in stock form (air intake, exhaust, etc.) there really shouldn't be a bluing problem with the exhausts, should there? Assuming stock configuration, sounds lean and running hot.
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2006, 07:50:57 PM »
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if the bike is in stock form (air intake, exhaust, etc.) there really shouldn't be a bluing problem with the exhausts, should there? Assuming stock configuration, sounds lean and running hot.

I cleaned the carbs because the slow jets were clogged.  The bike was purchased with a true 660 miles on it.  The previous owner said he kept it in his basement, unmoved for 30 years, starting it occasionally.  I deduced that the gas in the carbs got all skunky and "varnished" and plugged the jets.  When he would start it, the engine starved for fuel and ran hot, bluing the pipes.

When I cleaned the carbs, the bowls had some nasty in them and no light could be seen through the jets (both high and low-speed).  A thorough cleaning fixed that and now it runs better.

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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2006, 08:04:30 PM »
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Well my dad has a 750F with the factory exhaust and the first bend right as they come off the head is bluer than I dunno what, but it's blue.
 

That is interesting GG. I have never seen blue pipes on a Honda, either here in Australia or in New Zealand. Maybe the US got higher quality chrome.
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2006, 08:34:06 PM »
Original pipes that blued on a Japanese bike, means it is running way to hot. Japanese header pipes are double walled to prevent that. Yes, aftermarket headers will blue, but not original pipes. There is no copper on either British or Japanese original pipes, unless they have been replated. Copper being softer than either nickel or chrome can be used as a base when re-plating, to fill pits and imperfections in the pipes. This is what you find in used old pipes that have been replated. Assembly line pipes did not get copper because there was no pits on the new pipes and also to keep costs down. I forget at what temp. chrome blues, but if your pipes on a Japanese bike are bluing, I would clean them carbs. and also check timing. Maybe someone changed main jets at one time or if you are running lean due to no air cleaner that can be the cause as well. If a British bike does not have blued pipes, it is because it hasn't been run hard or long enough.Almost all assy. line chrome is double plate, that is nickel followed by chrome. Triple plate is for restorers and custom work. The triple plate is copper, than nickel followed by chrome. The copper coat will get polished before the nickel plate to give that real deep look.
   I have an old bottle of "Blue Away" from the '60's. It will scratch your chrome. As far as I am concerned, you might as well reach under the kitchen sink and use "Comet" on it.

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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2006, 09:13:56 PM »
I didn't even read this post...just skipped ahead to make a reply.I have read in here a bunch of times that stock pipes are double wall as compared to single wall aftermarket.I bought the headpipe on mine from Ebay and it was already blued.I ran this pipe while making carb adjustments(OH MAN....the most fun you can have with these bikes!!) I never saw it get any blue-er than when I got it but I damn sure know I finally got it dialed in....Went out tonight and started it with the kicker....hasn't run in 2 weeks and I hardly ever use the kicker!!!! No battery tender or nothing...Put the key in,open the petcock,choke full on.........first kick...not even a sputter....second kick...roared to life!!! Damn....I really love it!!!!
Anyhow...I am curious to use that magic potion that gets the blue off.I put a brand new out of the box Kerker on my old Kawi 1000 back in 1987 and although the shop that installed it said they jetted it up....it still blued within 100 miles.
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2006, 09:21:09 PM »
Seems to me that if the pipes are single walled, or whatever, and are bluing as a matter of normal usage (not because of lean running) then if they are de-blued they will just turn blue again.
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2006, 09:25:07 PM »
I am sure it was properly jetted, The single wall of the Kerker pipe will blue. Just as a British bike will blue. My Triumphs and Dad's Nortons always blued. Now, my Honda 750 K3 had somewhere around 45,000 miles when I replaced the original head pipes and Jardine slip on mufflers with new factory pipes. The originals and their replacements have never blued. The originials had some LONG trips on them as well as pulling a trailer on one trip back in 1979.

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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2006, 10:06:34 PM »
I guess now that I know my bike is not running hot,burning itself apart,bursting into a useless glob of molten metal.....I can live with the blue pipes....Hell...it gives it character!!!!!.......BUTT......I still wanna try that stuff just to see if it does what it claims....you know..like one them there scientific experiment dealies!!!!
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2006, 05:06:26 AM »
mrbreeze,
try it on someone else's bike first then yours ;D

It would seem to me the chemicals in DeBluer would
actually acidify the chromium. Will look good until
you get the pipes hot again, then the blue will come
back. I could be wrong, but it seems that's what happened
last time I used this stuff.
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2006, 06:23:06 AM »
Thanks for the info guys. Guess I was wrong about it.
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Re: Removing blue from exhaust pipes: does this stuff work?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2006, 10:02:32 AM »
GG,  I don't know about that chrome restorer, but as Dave K mentioned the product Blue-Away just simply scratched a layer of chrome off. It takes a lot of hand work. I cleaned up a set of BMW header pipes years ago and they probably looked worse after. I suppose with a little MORE elbow grease one could polish the chrome up again to look much better.