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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2012, 08:42:25 AM »
Funny oil change story:

Last year I was changing the oil on the 750 in the spring in my buddy's garage. Brand new house with attached double garage ... clean cement ...

I thought I was being careful draining the tank. I had cardboard underneath the bike. I had a funnel held up to the drain hole and pointed down into a drain bottle. As I unscrewed the drain plug the pressure of the oil took it out of my fingers and it fell perfectly down into the funnel's opening ... funnel quickly fills up and I'm reaching down into the hot oil to try and get the drain plug out of there. Panic is setting in. I'm my haste I'm not even pointing the funnel at the drain pan anymore... OIL EVERYWHERE!

Needless to say I spent a while with some cleaner scrubbing his floor. ha

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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2012, 09:19:04 AM »
I like that, IW :)
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2012, 09:40:20 AM »
 how much oil should show on the dipstick when the bike is on the centerstand?
 The reason I ask is Im getting two different amounts from my clymer manual.One page says 3.7 and another page its 3.0 quarts.
 My bike is a 78 750 f3 and I put in 3 quarts but when I check the dipstick thers maybe a 1/4 inch on the end of the dipstick.Is this normal?

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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2012, 10:05:34 AM »
My method, which is open to scrutiny and revision is so:

With the bike on the floor, a helper if necessary, hold it upright and check it. Oh yeah, a few minites of running should preceed this. The dipstick should read full.

Then pop it up on the centerstand and check it. Note the difference, that is you bogie from then on.

You may want to let it sit for a few hours and see where its at. This can become your "cold check", as you know it is full from the warm floor check.

Its always seemed funny to me that we want to check our oil as a pre-ride routine. But the manual says to heat it up first. Well the whole point is we don't want to start it if its low. Is that irony?   ;D

With the CB750 its not real critical as if it has anything in the tank that's enough to start it.

I guess we should really check our oil at the end of the last ride, and top it off before parking. Then we know its ready to go. We'd also know if something happened during the last ride causing an increase in oil consumption.

As to the 3.7 v 3.0: to me 3.7 is incl filter change and dropping the sump oil. 3.0 is tank only, though that seems a little high.

I just use my method and 3+ quarts. There's always some trapped in the oil lines.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2012, 10:12:17 AM »
 thanks for the response but my dipstick doesnt say full it just has cross hatch marks and the very tip is smooth.the smooth part is about 3/16 to 1/4 inch.

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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2012, 10:15:23 AM »
thanks for the response but my dipstick doesnt say full it just has cross hatch marks and the very tip is smooth.the smooth part is about 3/16 to 1/4 inch.
I'm not first hand familiar with your bike. But dipsticks are pretty standard, and the top of the crosshatch would be full.  So try it on the floor first. Putting it on the CS, while probably recommended, I think gives a distorted look at the level.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2012, 03:22:25 PM »
The F2 & F3 engines are identical, but the frames differ a little bit. There's more F2 than F3 out there. The F3 wiring, if you run into mysterious wire colors that don't make sense, came from the next-generation CB750K DOHC chassis, after the first few months of production. Thus, you might have to cross-reference between the 2 wiring diagrams in some cases. Some of the F2 came without the odd little oil cooler in between the oil filter and the engine, but all of the F3 had them. Honda was trying to reduce the fast-wearing valve guides by cooling off the oil a little bit. In reality, the problem was their Jinglish mis-translation of the oil requirement in the post-1974 Owner's Manuals: someone accidentally wrote to "use 10w40 oil" when it was supposed to say, "Use NO LESS than 10w40 oil", and 20w50 was normally recommended. Thus, many of the post-1974 bikes have worn-out valve guides, cam bearings, and other oil-related issues, usually by 10,000 miles or so. With proper oil, they can last over 60,000 miles, easily.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2013, 06:11:34 PM »
The warning from the forum recommends I start a new thread in order to reply...  A new oil thread!  Who's in?

Anyway, I just want to thank you all for the thorough replies and explanations.  I'm going to do mine this weekend, and I feel like I have a few good tips and tricks to add to the FAQ base.

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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2013, 09:58:18 PM »
Once the oil has been changed you can check for flow by getting a pen-light or similar small flashlight and get someone to rev the bike up. You can then see down into the tank and watch the oil breaking the surface of the reservoir of oil as it is pumped up from the base of the tank.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2013, 11:27:28 PM »
What's a standard duration of changes for these things? 750k2

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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2013, 03:06:07 AM »
For oil?  1500 miles.  I went over 3000 this summer running 15W50 Mobil1 Synthetic and it was still on the end of the period.

Some change oil after the shifting gets harder.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2013, 06:01:28 AM »
For oil?  1500 miles.  I went over 3000 this summer running 15W50 Mobil1 Synthetic and it was still on the end of the period.

Some change oil after the shifting gets harder.

Yeah, I can usually tell from the shifting that it needs to be changed.  I have started keeping track of the way it smells too. . .Only once did this happen, but gas got into my oil after a period of maintenance and over-cranking i guess.  Now I am paranoid and just smell it, if I start tasting it I'll let you guys know that i need some help :o

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2013, 08:00:23 AM »
If it is all short distance around town riding, I would change around 1000 miles .on the highway travelling,should be able to up it to 1500- 3000. ... Sometimes that is only 3-5  days.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2013, 08:07:55 AM »
I have a spare set of coils off a 76.  I would sell for what ever fair market value is.  PM me if interested.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2013, 08:44:44 AM »
I have a spare set of coils off a 76.  I would sell for what ever fair market value is.  PM me if interested.

What does this have to do with when to change your oil? You would  do better to put it here.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2013, 08:54:17 AM »
I have a spare set of coils off a 76.  I would sell for what ever fair market value is.  PM me if interested.

What does this have to do with when to change your oil? You would  do better to put it here.
 http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?board=34.0

If you read the original thread he said that he also had a blown coil and neede to replace it.  Oil was not his only issue. 
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2013, 08:59:36 AM »



Rookies.... ::) ::) ;D

The original post is from March 2006.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2013, 09:07:45 AM »
This has been occurring a lot recently 8)

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Rookies.... ::) ::) ;D

The original post is from March 2006.

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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2013, 11:00:05 AM »
Mineral oil with high amount of ZDDP (Zinc , Phosphorous) for the cam lobes. JASO on the label for the wet clutch.
The late oils have less ZDDP. After API SL ....

Shell Rotella is what you talk about in US.
I have filled my CB750 with mineral oil Castrol Actevo 20W-40, 20W-50 available too.
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2013, 11:00:56 AM »
Mineral oil with high amount of ZDDP (Zinc , Phosphorous) for the cam lobes. JASO on the label for the wet clutch.
The late oils have less ZDDP. After API SL ....

Shell Rotella is what you talk about in US.
I have filled my CB750 with mineral oil Castrol Actevo 20W-40, 20W-50 available too.

You just had to do that didn't you. . .

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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2013, 11:14:51 AM »
Original post was in 2006 . . . . . DOH!!  My momma always said I was special.


With that said, why is anyone posting in this thread all these years later?
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Re: Oil Change in CB 750
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2013, 01:24:08 PM »
One oil thread should be fine.  Where everyone can check latest news about good oils to use in the old CB Fours. City driving, touring and harder driving.
Best oil for min money..
 
It was easier before the catalytic converters destroyed the oils. Now extra anti friction additives making the clutch to spin when it should not.

I found a greeting from Mobil out there... 8)   I have no plans to use this when I have Castrol Actevo for a refill.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

I have driven my bike on long vacations without changing oil.. 5000-6000km in total. Normally add ~1L during the trip.

It's easier for my car where I can check an US site about recommended oils that fulfill VW 502 00/504 00 std change at max 15000 km's.
http://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/audiusa/Documents/Audi-1997-2012-Technical-Service-Bulletin.pdf

Time for a list for CB Fours? That can be updated with experiences and news? ;)
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2013, 04:00:57 AM »
I could not resist.  ;)
When I have started to think about something technical for my car or bike I can't stop until I have found good information. Internet is full of it, just search and find.

It's a pity that Shell Rotella is not available in Europe.
http://www-static.shell.com/content/dam/shell/static/can-en/downloads/products-services/lubricants/rotella/rotella-triple-protection.pdf

http://lugolfo.com.mx/Rotella%20T%2015W40.pdf

It seems that Shell Rimula can be an alternative.
See discussions in another forum.
http://forums.kz650.info/index.php?topic=7464.0

Finally an Excel with several oils (not specific oils for bikes) with their ZDDP content listed. JASO MA is not listed which means no anti friction stuff that affect our wet clutches in a bad way.
more to read here about that....http://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/JASO_MA_JASO_MB.php

I found the excel sheet here: http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.xls


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CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967