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Valve guide lubricant?
« on: October 08, 2013, 08:16:34 AM »
Would you use valve guide lubricant on head assembly?  Like this one?  Or just regular oil is enough?
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2013, 08:48:51 AM »
Regular oil, the paste may be thick enough to carbonise inside guide?
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 10:34:24 AM »
I would use engine oil. 

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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 11:41:30 AM »
There is also assembly lube.   It is stickier than regular oil ... 

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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 11:45:48 AM »
We use assembly lube.

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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2013, 10:32:22 AM »
We use assembly lube.
Same lube for the entire rebuild (top and bottom ends)? Also, whats a good one to use? I'll be doing this myself very soon here...

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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2013, 10:39:47 AM »
redline assembly lube
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2013, 10:41:40 AM »
We use assembly lube.

Regular car engine assembly lube with graphite?
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2013, 10:48:26 AM »
We use assembly lube.

Regular car engine assembly lube with graphite?

Use something like redline, I can't remember why but redline doesn't have an ingredient in it that regular car stuff usually does. Something about said ingredient is debatable
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 11:07:36 AM »
If it's going straight back into service, I use engine oil. If there's a chance of it standing a while, I use assembly lube.
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2013, 11:35:33 AM »
No risk for carbon in valve guide when oiling them and valve stems?
The valve stem seal keep the oil away or does it slip thru?

I lubed lightly, I thought most about the valve stem seal lips, min friction.
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 01:04:56 PM »
If it's going straight back into service, I use engine oil. If there's a chance of it standing a while, I use assembly lube.
Precisely what I needed to know, since I'm rebuilding over the winter, I won't be able to ride it for a while. Perhaps I should re-prioritize what I redo first. How long can it sit with the redline stuff? I have some accrued time off in December which is when I plan on doing all the engine reassembly work. Depending on my speed, I may take the whole month and then have to wait till March at the earliest to ride....suggestions? Sorry 70CB750, don't want to hijack your thread, I'm hoping this is a "related" question :)

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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 03:02:41 PM »
All is good, Edward!

I did read about that stuff here:

http://www.dansmc.com/valve.htm

seems like the guy knows few things about motorcycles, so I wanted to run it by experts here. 
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2013, 03:24:55 PM »
It's easy to over-think this. It's more important to use assembly lube on new parts that need bedding in, IMO. If you're re-using parts that are already mated to each other it's perhaps not so critical to use assembly lube.

Even if you just use engine oil and don't start it for a couple of months later, that's surely no different from starting an over-wintered bike after a while? How many people panic about starting their bike after a winter lay-off? The main difference I suppose is that the oilways will be 'primed' to an extent and theoretically the top end will be lubricated more quickly than if it were a freshly buttoned up motor.

But I tend to hedge my bets. If I know it's going to sit for a while, new parts or not, I'll use assembly lube around all the 'metal to metal' areas and seals. It just gives a bit more protection against wear until the oil reaches where it should.
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2013, 03:37:45 PM »
I used assmebly lube on the jeep engine - lifters and such - I got from Jasper for my daily driver.  Along with vaseline in oil pump, it worked and it still works actually, 100 000 miles later.

With SOHC I think I will stick to oil, just as I was doing till now.
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2013, 06:23:05 PM »
We use assembly lube.

Regular car engine assembly lube with graphite?

Molybdenum not graphite.
I use it on cam bearings and lobes but not valve guides.
I have used 'Molyslip' and engine oil mix on guides, 50/50 mix
 I wouldn't use asembly lube if motor won't be run for months, it tends to 'dry out' in my experience
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2013, 06:27:30 PM »
No risk for carbon in valve guide when oiling them and valve stems?
The valve stem seal keep the oil away or does it slip thru?

I lubed lightly, I thought most about the valve stem seal lips, min friction.

 Valve stem seals are a 'controlled leak', they don't stop every spec of oil
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Re: Valve guide lubricant?
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2013, 06:37:42 PM »
If it's going straight back into service, I use engine oil. If there's a chance of it standing a while, I use assembly lube.
That answer makes the most sense.
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