Topic: BabyHawk.. the CB160 build.

[toytuff]

The money shot!  Is there a steering dampener on the upper triple?

Yes, cleaned and ready to go. Won't put that on until the forks are done.

Also repainted the horn cover. Looks fantastic.

tt

[Greggo]

The horn looks good!  Have you tested it?

[toytuff]

The horn looks good!  Have you tested it?

Yes. All electrical tested before disassembly.

tt

[toytuff]

I need some thoughts concerning the points.

At one time Honda superseded the part number. These points are correct for year but herein lies the issue.

Old points are on the left.



New points. As you can see the mounting plate holes are different.



Old points mounted. Notice you adjust timing by using a screwdriver on the point plate.



Red arrow.



The new points mount with one screw and the top mounts over the tabs where the old points adjusted.



When doing this you now have "no" adjustment of the points.

The only thing I can figure is you now have to adjust the timing by "turning the points plate" versus the old way. (screwdriver adjustment)

Maybe there is no adjustment rotating the points plate. Wanted to run this by you folks before going further.

You will also notice that the right screw head has been fussed with on the points plate. I put a black mark for reference so as to go back the way it was. The points are "ok" but would like to install new.

Thoughts on my thinking please?

tt

[HondanutRider]

From the parts book that I have, it looks like there are 8 different points that are listed as possible for this model.  They all come from different manufacturers and were likely also used originally on different models.  They also list 3 different point plates, which probably differed slightly as well to accommodate various styles of point design.  From the parts bag number you show, it looks like the manufacturer for them was "KOKUSAN" according to the parts list.  The "292" part of this code indicates to me it was originally for the CB450K1, which was of the same era.  The model number for the CB450K1 was 292, where-as the CB160 was model number 217 and the CB125 was 216.  It looks like the points you have would work, but as you stated the gap adjustments would be done by moving the plate and not the points.

The original style of points are maybe what you took off the bike.  The parts book seems to list 3 versions of it, one with no manufacturer (OEM?) and one each for ND and HITACHI.  These are the three that use model code 216.

Time for a Martguerita yet? 

[Stev-o]

Time for a Martguerita yet? 

Better make it a double!

[MoMo]

 It would be very difficult to set the gap with the new set TT, but you could use a small blade common screwdriver in the opening  where the old adjustment was . Rotate the driver to set the gap and then move the plate to set timing.  I'd use the old set if they are not severely pitted...Larry

[toytuff]

From the parts book that I have, it looks like there are 8 different points that are listed as possible for this model.  They all come from different manufacturers and were likely also used originally on different models.  They also list 3 different point plates, which probably differed slightly as well to accommodate various styles of point design.  From the parts bag number you show, it looks like the manufacturer for them was "KOKUSAN" according to the parts list.  The "292" part of this code indicates to me it was originally for the CB450K1, which was of the same era.  The model number for the CB450K1 was 292, where-as the CB160 was model number 217 and the CB125 was 216.  It looks like the points you have would work, but as you stated the gap adjustments would be done by moving the plate and not the points.

The original style of points are maybe what you took off the bike.  The parts book seems to list 3 versions of it, one with no manufacturer (OEM?) and one each for ND and HITACHI.  These are the three that use model code 216.

Time for a Martguerita yet? 

Thanks HN. I'll try rotating the plate and see where the timing falls. The only point set I can get is the one I have unless I shop flea bay.

Old bikes are fun!

tt

[toytuff]

It would be very difficult to set the gap with the new set TT, but you could use a small blade common screwdriver in the opening  where the old adjustment was . Rotate the driver to set the gap and then move the plate to set timing.  I'd use the old set if they are not severely pitted...Larry

It will not rotate at that point.

tt

[toytuff]

Doing some homework now. I found this on Honda Twins.

If you NEED points, you've got some homework to do. The early 160s used 2 different plates.. one is easy to get points for, the other isn't.

I'm thinking the new points use a different points plate.

Still searching.

tt

[toytuff]

Upon further review I got this figured out.

If you look to the left between the points mounting screws you see a hole in the middle. Using the same picture look to the right and you see a tab that acts like a guide in the points.



I cleaned the old points, installed and set the timing. You can see where the plate was moved off the original mark.

Before.



After.



Consider this done.

tt

[toytuff]

Whatca think guys and gals?







 







tt

[MoMo]

I think I want one...Larry

[toytuff]

I have an extra for you when your ready.

tt

[KayOne]

Beautiful bike and superb restoration/rejuvenation!

 IMO they are one of the prettiest Honda bikes along with the 400F. One has been advertised all summer in our local craiglist equivalent for $2900 (down from original $3700). It is a running original with less than a thousand miles...tempting. 

[Stev-o]

Looks great tt.   The margarita looks good too!

[RAFster122s]

MoMo, I can deliver it if you are flexible on time...I will make you a good deal.

[toytuff]

Looks great tt.   The margarita looks good too!

Yeah, Mike and I were doing a little drinking. 

tt

[toytuff]

Fender is now mounted along with tail light and rear mud guard. Left engine cover cleaned and painted.





Looking at removing the starter but debating if I want to tackle the job. I'll think on it for a bit.



tt

[bwaller]

It's going to be a fine looking motorcycle. Certainly great that it was mostly complete, but I admire the job you're doing on it. More original than restored with hundreds of hours of know-how & elbow grease.

[MoMo]

Starter removal may require removal of all the left outer cases, that is iirc...Larry

[toytuff]

Starter removal may require removal of all the left outer cases, that is iirc...Larry

Left case is already removed. I'm wondering if it will come out without removing the link in the chain. Be nice if there was a snap ring holding the front gear.

It should be painted.

tt

[toytuff]

It's going to be a fine looking motorcycle. Certainly great that it was mostly complete, but I admire the job you're doing on it. More original than restored with hundreds of hours of know-how & elbow grease.

Thank you Sir!

The only part I had to salvage off the spare 160 was the rear brake cable guide that bolts to the frame. Right side. NLA from Honda. Never seen on flea bay.



tt

[MoMo]

Starter removal may require removal of all the left outer cases, that is iirc...Larry

Left case is already removed. I'm wondering if it will come out without removing the link in the chain. Be nice if there was a snap ring holding the front gear.

It should be painted.

tt

IIRC it is like a 350 twin, which does not require but sure makes it a lot easier removal of the rotor also...Larry

[toytuff]

I have a distraction for a bit. 

tt