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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #550 on: March 15, 2015, 01:39:48 PM »
Ron, I use a Honda spin-on filter #15410-MJO-405 for $8.95ea. These were used on the Interceptor's, Honda twin cyl. lawntractors etc. No guarantee it will fit, but I can measure dimensions if you'd like.

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« Reply #551 on: March 15, 2015, 01:57:39 PM »
Hey Ron,

Just to clarify, it's a Cycle X adapter that incorporates a Harley filter (Fram Part PH6022).  http://www.cyclexchange.net/Oil%20System%20Comp%20Page.htm

No leaks, and you can change the filter without having to remove the pipes.
Thanks, that would probably work fine. I have an adapter but no filter. I suppose any filter that the Oring is the right diameter would work.

Silly me, I was looking for a spin on fitment for CB750 but of course it won't be on the list as OEM is not a spin on.

I'm going to take my adapter to the autoparts store and see what fits.  Brand name like WIX should be fine. They come in chrome.
The WIX are good from what I have heard Ron. The FJ1200 with the spin on adapter takes a WIX 51334....should work with the CB's too.
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #552 on: March 16, 2015, 10:17:16 AM »
I am still amazed that so much pressure can build up in the oil filter to cause a seal to blow out like that.

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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #553 on: March 30, 2015, 12:08:29 PM »
Still waiting for the Voxonda adapter oil filter plate but received the Honda spin-on filters.

Tried of the bike just sitting, so I re-installed the OEM oil filter after picking up a new element.  But I also had to resolve the leak from the shifter rod seal.  I tried what Brent recommended which I thought was ingenious.  Take a piece of 1/2" PVC and cut it just slightly longer than the distance between the outside of the seal and the inside of the cover.  First try and it only took a bit of pressure when reinstalling the 4 sprocket cover bolts to seat the PVC properly. 



The thinking was to use the PVC and slight tension (if cut to the correct length) to hold the seal in place with the 360 degree surface of the PVC end.  Well, it held for a short ride (the OEM filter did not leak a drop), but when back in the shop I still a had leak of about a drop every 2-3 seconds from the seal.

So I took out the clutch and removed the shifter rod so that I could inspect the rod at the seal location and remove the seal.  I had to drain the oil again, of course.





I cleaned the seal seating area real well with acetone and denatured alcohol and used a thin coat of Permatex black RTV on the outer surface of the seal and firmly seated the new seal.  I let the RTV cure for 2 days...and its been warm and dry here in SoCal.  MRieck recommended green Locktite, which I use often for metal to metal mating surfaces in my gun builds (press fittings), but never on a rubber seal.  He is the resident expert, but I opted for the RTV with my fingers crossed.

After cleaning the clutch gasket mating surfaces and getting a new gasket, everything was put back together.  On the first test ride, started getting false neutrals when I hadn't before.  Back in the shop I figured out that when reassembling the shifter arm and linkage which came with the rearsets, I didn't allow enough travel on the upshift  side.  The connecting shifter arm which gets installed on the shifter rod splines arm was "topped out" on the rod linking the shift rod and the shift foot lever.  The upshifts were not pronounced enough because they did not have enough travel to dump properly into the next highest gear.

After another couple 30 min. long test rides, with some strong pulls, I only hit 1 false neutral from 4th to 5th, and one time on a hard pull in 5th, it popped into a false neutral.  I don't think I accidentally hit the shift lever nor was I too "soft" when I shifted up into 5th.  This has never happened before during the break in.  I may have to check the travel in the shifter arm against the linkage rod again.

But, overall, I'm loving this bike (except slight downhill seating position from using 750 Ikons).  I may try the Tarozzi low riser clip-ons I have sitting on the shelf - but they limit side to side clearance and hit the tank.  Geez, tradeoffs are a bummer.  Leaving the office early to go on a 5 pm ride...it will still be in the 80s.

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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #554 on: April 13, 2015, 05:15:32 AM »
Just finished reading all the pages, great read and inspirational!!!!

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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #555 on: April 13, 2015, 05:51:44 PM »
So is your exhaust system 3 pieces? I need the middle section for a similar setup I'm doing. Any idea where to look?
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #556 on: April 13, 2015, 08:36:29 PM »
Yes.  I want to get my old Kerker to fit or have a custom exhaust fabricated like on my 750 Blaster; but for now, yes - it is the Mac headers with the collector pipe (muffler cut off) and added the Cone 12" end piece.  3 pieces.  It sounds nice with a deep buzz at high RPMs.

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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #557 on: December 08, 2015, 03:12:41 PM »
Kevin,

Your bike has been re-nominated for BOTM January 2016.  Please post in the nomination thread (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,153392.0.html) that you accept the nomination!

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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #558 on: January 26, 2016, 10:35:30 AM »
Hi All.  Be warned - this is a long-winded post.

It's been a while.  Congrats to Tom for January BOTM.  The last 6 months of 2015 have been tough - lost a few family members and Jazzy too.  Also, was side-tracked by the dark side with mod-ing out a 2007 Ducati Sports Classic and a RD350 with Ninja EX250 suspension front & rear.

I've had 4 nagging issues with the Danielle #5. Persistent oil leak, popping out of gear, rear wheel bearing retainer self-loosening and dealing with a m-unit voltage vampire.

1.  The rear wheel bearing retainer was the easiest fix from at least a diagnostic stand point.  I did not stake it on install.  The bearing was well seated.  The retainer was well tightened.  But it kept loosening and I would re-tighten without removing rear wheel.  Well, I finally removed the rear wheel and unscrewed the retainer all the way to clean out threads (remember, it has left hand threads).  On reinstall I noticed that the sprocket side bearing must have moved a tad because the retainer now sits a tad proud about 1mm after tightening.  I did what I could to re-seat the bearing, but did not want to smack it too hard and crunch the collar.  I tightened as much as possible and staked it against the hub in 4 places,  It is still proud by about 1 mm but I angled the punch and it hasn't moved since.

2.  The dreaded post-rebuild oil leak.  I detected the leak as it was dripping from the top fin at cylinder #1.....the low side when on the side stand.  It was obvious that it was leaking from the corner of the valve cover.  So I pulled the cover and it seemed that the gasket was not "proud" enough.  I cleaned the mating surfaces as well as possible, purchased a new squiggly gasket (this time I copper spray coated both sides), and laid a tiny bead of Hondabond in the gasket groove before laying in the new gasket.  I also replaced and resealed the pucks with Hondabond just in case.

    Fired it up - the cover is leak free, but a small amount of oil is leaking down the top fin of the jugs (again, with bike on side stand) and onto the alternator cover.  The leak is coming from the center of the motor (exhaust side) along the joint between jugs and head.  I used an MLS gasket.  I was convinced that I somehow f-ed up the head gasket, or forgot an o-ring, or miscalculated using an MLS gasket instead of OEM.  Talk about being deflated.  The last thing I want to do is pull the head after just replacing the valve cover and re-adjusting the valves.  I had complied with head torqueing protocol and final torque was 21.5 lbs (HD studs) on 2 different torque wrenches.  I made sure head bolts #13 and #14 were set at tight as possible (lucky they didn't break being 6mm hex).  I was certain the leak is emanating from the area of the center exhaust side 6mm hex head bolt.

  I was pulling the tank, when I thought, let's try the foot powder spray trick just to be 100% sure.  I was trying to think of any solution short of pulling the head - even using the stop leak additive (oh no!).  I degreased the engine with a foaming product, blew compressed air to dry, the I drove off to CVS for foot powder spray.  The leak started showing weeping at about the center of the MLS gasket -exhaust side, and slowly flowed down toward cylinder #1 on the top fin of the jugs.  OK - pulling the head is inevitable.  Frustrated -- back to the Ducati for a few months.  Then - with a LED laser point flashlight, I detected a very tiny stream of oil against the white powder coming from what I call the #3 cylinder spark plug bay.  It turned under the #3 exhaust and leaked onto the top jug fin.  I had not seen this before despite intense inspection to find the leak.

OK...phew.  What a relief.  Not the head gasket as thought.  It's a puck.  Much easier to pull the valve cover again and re-seal the pucks for a 3rd time.  But it didn't quite make sense to me while nursing a beer.  I knew those pucks were well sealed.  Maybe the valve cover still leaks but if it does, where?  I degreased the bike again and this time sprayed the foot powder all the way around the area of the valve cover gasket.

Eureka!!!!  No leak from the valve cover gasket.  It's the tach cap (removable housing) leaking!!!  The powder made it easy to spot.  I had not seen it before because the polished valve cover camo-ed the clear oil from my old, tired eyes.  It leaked at the very bottom of the cap and flowed into the #3 bay.  Soooo happy!  This should be an easy fix.  I started up the bike and used a rag to soak up the oil at the leaking cap before it could run into the bay (at the expense of a hand burn).  And after several minutes of run time, no more leak down along the top fin of the jugs.

  Here's what happened.  My tach cap post broke off and since I am not using the mechanical cable, I used a bead of "form-a-gasket" to seal the cap.  It obviously didn't work.  (I pirated the below pic from this forum to illustrate what my broken tach cap looks like).

  If anyone here has a solution for a leak free seal for the cap without having to buy a new, unbroken one, please chime in.

3.  False neutrals.  Popping out of gear while riding is random, sometimes it happens in 2nd, more often 3rd and 4th, but with no pattern with regard to RPMs. There is no issue finding neutral or first gear.  I am confident that upon my reassembly of the cases that the dogs had nice clean edges, the forks were not bent and the drum in excellent condition.  But reading the multiple posts about ghost neutrals on the forum, the knee-jerk recommended fix for false neutrals is - "sorry to have to tell you, but you need to split the cases."  Again, no way in hell did I want to do this on a new rebuild.

  Instead, I thought it best to first inspect the drum stopper and neutral detents before doing the drastic case split.  Last night, with renewed enthusiasm for Daniele having solved the oil leak, I pulled the clutch basket.  Instant problem recognition.  The drum stopper detent was not riding in the valleys of the star wheel at the end of the drum.  Depending on the gear, it was riding on the ends of the star's points, and the inner surface of the detent circle was rubbing against the end of the shift drum "disc" immediately behind the star (where the neutral detent rides on its top edge).  See pic below.  A close look reveals the wear marks around the outside circumference of the neutral wheel - the friction between the two surfaces is preventing the detent from falling into the valleys - hence, the inability to "stop" the drum from plunking into a false neutral....I think this is what is happening anyway.   Dave, Two Tired, do you concur?

  The collar for the detent swing arm is in excellent condition - no slop, as are the springs.  The 6mm bolt securing the detent arm thru the collar and the bracket to the case is seated, but not overly tightened.  When I back off the 6mm hex bolt, the detent falls perfectly into the valleys of the star.  So I tried a thin spacer between the detent arm and the bracket before securing to the case.  This allowed the bolt to be tightened and the detent to be in perfect position to fall into the valleys, but the collar rubs against the washer and with the tightened bolt, the detent wheel will not fall into the valleys under spring tension as it should.

  I need to find a solution, like re-bending the detent arm, or not seating the hex bolt all the way, using red locktite.  But I am confident that once rectified, the false neutrals will be a thing of the past.

4.  m-unit voltage vampire.  Cal J - this is for you.  If you recall, when we were diagnosing the battery drain last year (with the m-unit off) we had come up with a fix.  It was, I believe, taking the black wire of the Reg/Rect and inserting in it into a different "input" port on the m-unit.  The problem is that I procrastinated in undertaking the fix because I didn't want to un-do my neat custom-made wiring loom encased in heat shrink.  In the interim, I merely set my 15A circuit breaker to "off" between start ups.  When the CB is left on, the battery will drain.  The "fix" was documented on my cell phone in a text to myself which got wiped clean.  Cal, if you remember this, let me know please what it was - it was a very simple fix of just plugging the black wire into another port of the m-unit.

Thanks all.  I hope these issues may give insight to someone in the future experiencing the same or similar.

Cheers.
Kevin
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #559 on: January 26, 2016, 01:40:30 PM »
Move it from LOCK to AUX
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #560 on: January 26, 2016, 05:51:48 PM »
One other thing.  On long-ish rides, the clip-ons are tough on your wrists....like with my Duc 1000.  Because of my triple tree, I am committed to clip-ons.  And I already went through the effort of mounting the m-push buttons on the bars.  But does anyone know of a riser type clip-on for a slightly more upright position, but not as high as superbike bars?

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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #561 on: January 26, 2016, 06:16:25 PM »
Tarrozi has two height options ...available from Fast from the Past

Woodcraft has nice options too

I forgot what front end you have though
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #562 on: January 26, 2016, 06:19:15 PM »
Stock, with custom billet triples and Race Tech internals.  Thanks for the tip.  Looking now.

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« Reply #563 on: January 26, 2016, 06:26:00 PM »
I can't remember/kinda doubt Woodcraft makes anything for forks that small.
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« Reply #564 on: January 26, 2016, 06:29:09 PM »
Woodcraft is the ticket!  1-3" risers, but they only seem to come in 37mm and larger.

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« Reply #565 on: January 26, 2016, 08:37:26 PM »
Kevin,

Steer clear (pun intended) of the Tarozzi riser clip-ons. No matter how tight you torque them (short of stripping the adjuster bolts), the bars will still move out of position when medium force is applied. No bueno. I remember unloading my bike out of my truck's wheel chock and they moved, and moved and moved.   >:(

Good on you on patiently diagnosing these gremlins!

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« Reply #566 on: January 27, 2016, 03:13:59 AM »
Kevin - LSL makes some very nice units. Not sure about the 35mm though  :-\ You can check out https://spieglerusa.com/controls/handlebars-accessories-139/clip-ons.html and see if there's an option that suits your fancy
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« Reply #567 on: January 27, 2016, 03:53:30 AM »
There is a second 6mm bolt attaching the bottom of that detent bracket. It also attaches the primary shaft brg.retainer, it is in the right position?

It looks like you have all the pieces in the right spot, the only suggestion I might have is that the case lug was shortened or something. Just work by spacing both detent roller brackets until they are in the right position. Try to use hardened thrust washers if possible.

By the way Dave went walkabout & TwoTired moved on as well!!

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« Reply #568 on: January 27, 2016, 04:53:40 AM »
Use a tach block-off plug, Kev.
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #569 on: January 27, 2016, 07:32:30 AM »
Don - Yes, I know.  The Tarozzi risers drove me nuts.  I tried them on the Blaster.  I even powder coated them and the inside bearing surface to get more squish.  No bueno.

Cal - Thanks on the LSL.  I have a couple items from them.  Headlight brackets are hi end stuff.  As for the plugs I've seen, the all require the cap (the small housing).  It is the cap that leaks.

Brent - I don't think the lug moved.  And the neutral detent is perfectly placed.  The 2nd 6x20 mounting bolt is in place and securing the bottom end of the bracket.  Last night I put the stopper arm in the vise and bent it outward about 1mm and made sure the detent is still parallel to the drum end.  I think this will work.

Thanks. guys!
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #570 on: January 27, 2016, 04:43:54 PM »
Ahh...I'm in love with my Danielle again. 

I took her out for a "let's go!" ride after the office for about 30 mins up my mountain road and back.  She shifted smoothly and flawlessly through the gears with not a single false neutral. Those episodes of popping out of gear were becoming demoralizing.  Upon return, only a single drop of oil (if even that) emerged just under the left side cover - easy fix.  I re-used the old alum washers.  No other evidence of other drips or weepage whatsoever.  Last night, I shimmed behind the tach cap bolt and re-applied form-a-gasket no. 1.  Let it cure overnight.  Leak fixed. 

Oops - I forgot to re-attach the breather hose before the ride and found it hanging when home. Luckily I didn't lose it along the way.
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #571 on: January 28, 2016, 07:33:49 PM »
Another "on the throttle" ride after work up the mountain for a coffee and apple pie at a local eatery. Nice, warm, cloudless afternoon in the mountains of San Diego County. It is amazing to me how nimble #5 is through the twisties after being on the Blaster 750 for the past few months.  Doesn't handle quite as nice as the Duc, but more fun.  And, I have taken a lot of weight off the 750 and enhanced the suspension.  Still, the 550 feels so much more flickable.  It weighs in at 395 lbs with fuel and oil.


After sitting for 24 hours since yesterday's test ride, this is the totality of the oil leak from the left side valve cover I found today.


So, I'm all in.  A second day of being extremely pleased - especially with the transitions through all the gears.  Next and last stop is the dyno booth.  After hard pulls in 4th and 5th, it just seems slightly less than optimal, but only marginally so.  I was upshifting hitting the throttle hard at slightly lower than typical RPMs and I felt a bit of a flat spot.  Only the dyno will know for sure whether it's jetted correctly.  I have a great dyno and re-jetting man here in San Diego. 
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« Reply #572 on: January 29, 2016, 02:30:25 AM »
After sitting for 24 hours since yesterday's test ride, this is the totality of the oil leak from the left side valve cover I found today.

Can't you fix anything correctly????  ;) Hack! And to think, I voted for this piece of crap for BOTM  :-[
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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #573 on: January 29, 2016, 03:43:41 AM »
Cal, didn't you also vote for Obama?    8)

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Re: Danielle CB550K Build - Toyon Moto Club #5
« Reply #574 on: January 29, 2016, 03:51:51 AM »
Well that is a better testimony to my judgement than the disparaging comments I've made about Danielle-  ;D ;D ;D ;D Touché
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it's victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis