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« Reply #675 on: May 02, 2015, 05:43:08 pm »
like this?
only thing is that the yellow wires are wired into the stator, part of it I think. I'd slice it if you want it that way, because the whole thing shipped to Oz, well, you know how that goes.
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« Reply #676 on: May 03, 2015, 03:15:18 am »
Well DH after seeing your photo I realise I've been looking for the wrong plug.

Look what I found at the end of the stator! I had totally forgotten about the plug until I saw your photo, you saved the day.



I now remember I went the way of the smaller plugs because I had the complete set so I could complete the electrics in the plate with the correct connectors fitted into the cut outs in the plate.

That's why Cal says I'm a rank amateur (and pretty rank at that).
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« Reply #677 on: May 03, 2015, 04:20:44 am »
Steel caps on, Mick.  :D
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« Reply #678 on: May 03, 2015, 04:26:42 am »
Say as you see it Cal, I don't have a problem with that.

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« Reply #679 on: May 03, 2015, 04:33:48 am »
The only reason I take a perverse delight in other's follies is to assuage my own sense of humiliation when I do the same damn thing. I think, "Doh! I'm not alone, I remember when Mick spent 6 months looking for a plug that was attached to the wire all along! So I cant be the only doddering old fool tinkering with these bikes..."

Kind of cements the whole brethren philosophy on this forum, don't you think? Well, it's the lie I tell myself.  ;)
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« Reply #680 on: May 03, 2015, 04:39:31 am »
Not 6 months, 8 months. I bought a neutral switch for the 500 and I had one already.

It's nice to be old and not realise you're losing it.
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« Reply #681 on: May 03, 2015, 04:43:45 am »
Not 6 months, 8 months. I bought a neutral switch for the 500 and I had one already.
Honesty is not always the best policy. At least now you have a spare parts pile to commence your next build. A whole bike designed about a Neutral switch. I like it! Will it be a bobber, a brat, a mid chopper? Perhaps a Scrambler with saddle bags? Make sure you showcase and polish that Neutral switch too. Hate to see it covered up by some ordinary side plate  :-[
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« Reply #682 on: May 03, 2015, 04:47:24 am »
Next'll be a CB750 and a Norton Commando (I always wanted a Norton).

Parts under the house in buckets, boxes, plastic storage bins, no wonder I can't keep track of it all.

And now I've got to learn how to use a multimeter.
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« Reply #683 on: May 03, 2015, 04:57:48 am »
I tried that same trick with the wife, in a bin under the house. She keeps finding her way out though... Makes entertaining new women awkward with her showing up all dirty and musty smelling, spider webs in her hair. Can't imagine what the "guests" think as they tear away down the drive?
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« Reply #684 on: May 03, 2015, 04:59:24 am »
I just get the rounds of the kitchen, once we had a deck with a BBQ, now I've got a workshop.

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« Reply #685 on: May 03, 2015, 07:11:20 am »
Well DH after seeing your photo I realise I've been looking for the wrong plug.

Look what I found at the end of the stator! I had totally forgotten about the plug until I saw your photo, you saved the day.



I now remember I went the way of the smaller plugs because I had the complete set so I could complete the electrics in the plate with the correct connectors fitted into the cut outs in the plate.

That's why Cal says I'm a rank amateur (and pretty rank at that).


It's easy to get side tracked, but always nice when you catch a mistake early eh?

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« Reply #686 on: May 03, 2015, 07:44:05 am »
I envy the people who are able to avoid all of the two steps forward, one step back I have taken. All part of the learning process.
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« Reply #687 on: May 03, 2015, 08:07:30 am »
I envy the people who are able to avoid all of the two steps forward, one step back I have taken. All part of the learning buildingprocess.
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« Reply #688 on: May 03, 2015, 11:24:37 am »
It was like a light went on when I saw DH's photo, aah, I think I've already got one of those. Now if I just remember where the other parts are, the beauty of old age.
I'm also learning from Cal new acronyms and not just how to rebuild a bike.

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« Reply #689 on: May 03, 2015, 11:36:48 am »
It was like a light went on when I saw DH's photo, aah, I think I've already got one of those. Now if I just remember where the other parts are, the beauty of old age.
I'm also learning from Cal new acronyms and not just how to rebuild a bike.

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2005 RVT1000RR RC51-SP2 "El Diablo" - Sold
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« Reply #690 on: May 03, 2015, 11:42:25 am »
Now I do feel left behind. Aah this modern world, it was simpler then, there was only black or white coffee and I knew how to  spell then. Those were the days my friend.

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« Reply #691 on: May 09, 2015, 04:31:52 pm »
Electrics are not my forté. Here I am changing over the blade style plugs into the pin style.



Does it matter which yellow wire goes into which plug hole?



Does anyone have a one of these in good condition with both the arms attached? It must've just been holding on.


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« Reply #692 on: May 09, 2015, 05:04:16 pm »
The sequence of the yellows does not matter. Drats about the connectors...
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« Reply #693 on: May 09, 2015, 05:16:57 pm »
Thanks Cal

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« Reply #694 on: May 11, 2015, 12:13:55 pm »
Tested the rectifier which was kaput but luckily had another that tested A ok.

Have some Rapidfix (glue plus white powder actuator) and was able to fix the broken arm on the 6 point connector.

 

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« Reply #695 on: May 12, 2015, 01:13:14 am »
Elektrikery is fun ain't it! Can't see it, can't smell it, can't taste it but by god don't it bite!!!!!

Fun asside clean the bejazers out of those pin connectors and use some dielectric grease on them (No idea what that actually is but have heard of it---I use vaseline!)
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« Reply #696 on: May 12, 2015, 03:30:51 am »
Exactly BJ I've a tiny drill bit and wire brush for inside the female connections, they look worse than they are because of the plastic looking dirty. All the male connectors have been pulled out and cleaned with sand paper.
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« Reply #697 on: May 23, 2015, 04:35:03 pm »
Electrics are coming together. All parts test OK on the multimeter and have continuity through all wires. Still have to wrap all the wiring together. I presume the extra green wire with a connector is a spare earth?

I'm still tempted to get a new rectifier and regulator though.



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Question:-
On the starter solenoid, which side connects to the starter and which side connects to the battery?

Also which colour goes where on the flasher unit, grey and a black.

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« Reply #698 on: May 23, 2015, 04:40:45 pm »
The stud nearest the battery goes to the battery, nearest the starter motor to the starter motor. It doesn't matter which is which from a polarity perspective.

What's wrong with your reg and rec? I may have stock units in good knick if you do need replacements.
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« Reply #699 on: May 23, 2015, 04:48:09 pm »
Hey Cal, thanks for your reply. From your reply the solenoid is in correct orientation I presume.

The rectifier checked out fine on the multimeter, but close examination shows up as very stained and old looking (not surprising I suppose), I'm worried about cleaning it too much in case I damage it.

I have 3 rectifiers but only one is good. Let me know the price, a spare would be good.

I'm also concerned about the old connectors and wonder if I'd be better off replacing all the wiring on the plate.