Topic: Its time for 'airport-like' security at public schools.

[flybox1]

and yes, i'll pay higher taxes for it.
This isn't a gun argument.  That argument has no end.

done...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/21/21064166-student-opens-fire-at-nevada-middle-school-killing-teacher-shooter-dead?lite

[bikerbart]

And people ask me why I moved to Canada .

[Duke McDukiedook]

No thanks, TSA airport bump 'n grope security is a major reason I don't fly anymore.
I sure as hell would not want to see that type of insanity in public buildings.

[Retro Rocket]

Couldn't possibly be a gun problem by any chance....

[dusterdude]

Not at all,its a people problem.if i met you,i wouldnt shoot you.the gun doesnt go off until someone pulls the trigger,it takes a person to do that

[Retro Rocket]

Not at all,its a people problem.if i met you,i wouldnt shoot you.the gun doesnt go off until someone pulls the trigger,it takes a person to do that

It also takes a gun....

[scrapvalue]

The highest crime rates in the USA are in Washington DC and Chicago.
Which two cities in the USA have the toughest gun control laws?

[Xnavylfr]

Airport security=   For maintenance workers , we had a barcode scan card to enter ANY entry gate (some were even secure to us without SPECIAL) need.
At schools= scan cards for students and employees ONLY. If you had to pick up your child early then have a secure keypad outside and you have to enter student ID# and a password for that student to be called to the office!!!
Too many schools still open enough for anyone to enter just by saying I'm here to pick up my kid for a DRs appt.


Xnavylfr(CHUCK)

[Retro Rocket]

The highest crime rates in the USA are in Washington DC and Chicago.
Which two cities in the USA have the toughest gun control laws?

What about Detroit Michigan, flint Michigan and Oakland California..?  plenty of others up there or above Washington , actually Flint is the worst buy some margin......? Its not the laws that cause that, its the easy availability of guns everywhere in the US... We can pick and choose but up against the rest of the world your gun statistics are appalling...

[mark]

What about ... Oakland California..?  ...

If you're gonna get shot that's the place to do it. Folks at Highland Hospital have more gunshot wound experience than Army medics. If anyone can put ya back together it's them.

 

[demon78]

I think if I had to live in a place that needed armed guards in schools I would leave, the bit about the "good guys" will offset the "bad guys doesn't seem to work to well the bad guys will always get through ie Archduke Ferdinand.
,,Bill the demon.

[LesterPiglet]

And if any of your bits get blown off come to Belfast and get them glued on again.

[scrapvalue]

The highest crime rates in the USA are in Washington DC and Chicago.
Which two cities in the USA have the toughest gun control laws?

What about Detroit Michigan, flint Michigan and Oakland California..?  plenty of others up there or above Washington , actually Flint is the worst buy some margin......? Its not the laws that cause that, its the easy availability of guns everywhere in the US... We can pick and choose but up against the rest of the world your gun statistics are appalling...

The places with the least amount of gun control have the lowest crime rates.     It isn't rocket science.

[Retro Rocket]

The highest crime rates in the USA are in Washington DC and Chicago.
Which two cities in the USA have the toughest gun control laws?

What about Detroit Michigan, flint Michigan and Oakland California..?  plenty of others up there or above Washington , actually Flint is the worst buy some margin......? Its not the laws that cause that, its the easy availability of guns everywhere in the US... We can pick and choose but up against the rest of the world your gun statistics are appalling...

The places with the least amount of gun control have the lowest crime rates.     It isn't rocket science.

Rubbish, absolute rubbish, you need to travel abroad sometime mate.....   We have far more restrictive gun laws than anywhere in the US and you are still, on average, 15 times more likely to be shot in the US than here, Your gun statistics, whether there is control or not are disgustingly high when compared to almost anywhere else on earth and a clear winner in the civilized world.

[JeffSTL]

I think if I had to live in a place that needed armed guards in schools I would leave

I would like to. Can you put in a good word for me in Canada?

[BeSeeingYou]

The highest crime rates in the USA are in Washington DC and Chicago.
Which two cities in the USA have the toughest gun control laws?

I think you are just spouting off talking points here.

In cities of 250,000 or more there are about 12 cities that have a higher murder rate than Chicago.  Just as an example, Atlanta leads Chicago in every crime statistic  per capita (100,000 people).  It's the only fair way to measure crime as Chicago has 2.7 million vs. Atlanta with 440,000.  New York with it's stricter gun laws has a murder rate that ranks 12 or 13th lowest and ranks towards the bottom in other crime rates too.  Omaha and Tulsa have twice the murder rate of New York, Oklahoma City almost three times as high, New York is even lower than Wichita and Denver. Not sure what the gun laws are in those cities but I would guess not as tight as New York.   

18 cities (250,000+) where ahead of Washington D.C. in murder rates though the other crime rates are at Atlanta levels. Detroit and New Orleans have the highest murder rates followed by St Louis, Baltimore, Newark,  Oakland, Stockton, Kansas City, Philly, Cleveland, Memphis, and Atlanta.  A real cross section of the country.   

Just another example of American Exceptualism.   It doesn't even surprise or shock me anymore...we are a fuked up country with fuked up values.  Why address the root causes when we can just make it an armed camp with strip searches, metal detectors, armed guards where ever you go.

[dave500]

ok,so when i come over to america,when do i get my gun?
The Simpsons - Gun Shop

[Bailgang]

Just another example of American Exceptualism.   It doesn't even surprise or shock me anymore...we are a fuked up country with fuked up values.  Why address the root causes when we can just make it an armed camp with strip searches, metal detectors, armed guards where ever you go.

+1
Unfortunately I have to agree with that. I can't argue that easy access to guns isn't an issue but it seems to me that it's happening more and more often and something else is going on that we're ignoring because we're focusing all the attention on the gun itself. Something very very wrong is going on in our society and until that's addressed this violence will continue regardless of how strict you make gun laws or how secure you make public places. If we're going to blame the gun then we also need to be spending just as much time asking why the idiot that pulled the trigger looked at the lives of their victims as if they were disposable. I don't see society asking that question let alone doing anything about it and that scares me more than anything. A gun is just a tool, a very affective tool I admit but it's still just a tool these idiots use and if you take away that tool then they'll just find another tool. The math teacher that was recently slain in Nevada was slain by a 14 year old student armed with nothing more than a box cutter knife.

Edit- I meant math teacher in Massachusetts.

[70CB750]

Back in the day in Czechoslovakia this woman wanted to kill as many people as possible.  She stole a truck and run into people at a tram stop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Hepnarov%C3%A1

[dave500]

guns arent violent,theres no violence about guns being fired,whats so violent about just shooting someone?violence is slashing and chopping up with an axe or sword or the like?or baseball batting a head or similar,now thats a bit violent,or driving through pedestrians with a truck,i think thats violent,if you poison someone thats not violent but it kills them just the same,even a poison dart isnt violent,or a bow and arrow,but if you beat someone to death with a bow or a gun,now thats violent!

[ekpent]

All of the big cities with major gun violence have a problem with gangs and drugs and turf wars etc. Basically a bunch of people who don't want to, or can't find real work. Their idols are rappers and such who glorify guns and the thug like mentality. Its a cultural and social issue more than a gun issue. Here is an interesting report among the many others out there  http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

[BeSeeingYou]

guns arent violent,theres no violence about guns being fired,whats so violent about just shooting someone?

Seek help Dave and please don't come here looking for a gun.  We have enough problems already.

[bikerbart]

I've had bits blown off, Not fun. Always wanted to go to belfast. Have a pint or 2.

[MCRider]

All of the big cities with major gun violence have a problem with gangs and drugs and turf wars etc. Basically a bunch of people who don't want to, or can't find real work. Their idols are rappers and such who glorify guns and the thug like mentality. Its a cultural and social issue more than a gun issue. Here is an interesting report among the many others out there  http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

That's right. (your link wouldn't open for me, still...) 13% of our pop is black. 50% of our homicides are committed by blacks. Lest you think its a retribution issue, 90% of those homicides are black v black. Of the 13% total, 90% of homicides are committed by the 16 to 22 age group. About 30% of the total 13%. Our stats would look a lot different with demographics like other countries claiming better statistics. A high % of that age group is shot multiple times before the fatal one.

Not to mention the culture that encourages violence. The number of guns is irrelevant. IMO.

[bikerbart]

guns are for cowards. We have not learned to reason thus far , so , there will always be violence. The lowest common denominator. Its society, we have no morals or ethics for that matter. Its the one point that made me not want kids. Too late, I have one now. I have to look at the glass is half full now, although I truly have no  faith in humans, look what we have done in the name of greed. Its getting worse today, look at the income or wealth distribution in this country. Poverty causes violence, yet there is plenty to go around for the entire planet. Sad. truly shameful.

[DH]

You guys all make interesting points. I don't think gun control is the answer because it won't work here. Like tryin to wipe out the drug trade. Too many people in concentrated areas with all kinds of problems. And yeah, our society is screwed up. Turn on the t.v., radio, sit in traffic, listen to latest vernacular, etc. Very little to celebrate that is decent any more. Therein lies the problem IMO.
People are pissed off, about "whatever".  Demographics don't matter either. And revenge is the answer unfortunately, for those who are close to the edge anyway.
To me, airport type security at school will at least protect our kids
better. It sucks to have to resort to those lengths. Just observations....Not challenging anyone's opinion. 

[LesterPiglet]

[dave500]

guns arent violent,theres no violence about guns being fired,whats so violent about just shooting someone?

Seek help Dave and please don't come here looking for a gun.  We have enough problems already.

FIVES DAYS?BUT IM MAD NOW!

[Retro Rocket]

All of the big cities with major gun violence have a problem with gangs and drugs and turf wars etc. Basically a bunch of people who don't want to, or can't find real work. Their idols are rappers and such who glorify guns and the thug like mentality. Its a cultural and social issue more than a gun issue. Here is an interesting report among the many others out there  http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

That's right. (your link wouldn't open for me, still...) 13% of our pop is black. 50% of our homicides are committed by blacks. Lest you think its a retribution issue, 90% of those homicides are black v black. Of the 13% total, 90% of homicides are committed by the 16 to 22 age group. About 30% of the total 13%. Our stats would look a lot different with demographics like other countries claiming better statistics. A high % of that age group is shot multiple times before the fatal one.

Not to mention the culture that encourages violence. The number of guns is irrelevant. IMO.

Sorry Ron, we are just as multicultural as the US and have plenty of colored people here too mate but a lack of guns {and a better attitude towards them}  means we don't have those horrible statistics..  Its easy to encourage violence when you have that many deadly weapons so easily available..... You guys need to look at the rest of the civilized world and what they are doing, also change the gun toting attitude, you no longer live in the wild west. Which ever way you look at it, guns are a deadly weapon and when any idiot and his dog can get them when ever they want , you will always have a massive problem, its as simple as that...

[bikerbart]

I want to clarify. When I said guns are for cowards I was talking about the BIG picture. Politicians and their Wars. Not the dude who needs to defend himself from a crackhead/gangsta , thief , rapist etc. Sorry if I offended you gun nuts .

[Duke McDukiedook]

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
You know who said it. 

[bikerbart]

 

[seanbarney41]

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
You know who said it. 

eggsactly...made it like that, bought it like that, livin' like that

[seanbarney41]

as long as their are people who have nothing to lose, people will behave as if they have nothing to lose...

[dhall57]

In just the last couple weeks two of the top news stories:

A 12 year old Nevada middle school student kills teacher and wounds two others.

A 14 years old Massachusetts middle school student kills his 24 year old math teacher with box cutter and dumps her body in the woods and than goes to eat at Wendy's and watch a movie.

These are kids doing these horrific acts Our society in this country has gotten so far down the toilet we have little kids killing their teachers and fellow students. At my Jr. High school (not middle school like they call it now, a few fights would break out every now and then and a few punches thrown. A busted lip, bloody nose at the worse and after a short time your were friends again. Now days heck with fighting, bring a gun to school and shoot somebody or carve your teacher up because she did something you didn't like. Problem solved. When I was this age back in the late 60's early 70's all I was thinking about was riding my Honda's and reading motorcycle mags and going to see On Any Sunday at the movies and getting interested in girls and sneaking a peak at a Playboy we found under my buddy's parents bed.  But our country and the world is a entirely different place than forty years ago

Lord help us all

[bikerbart]

IT has changed for the worse absolutely, I am lucky to have grown up in the 70's. Feels like a Loooooooong time ago.