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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2006, 08:38:45 AM »
Wow! the tank looks much better.

I only have 2 suggestions.
1. Like most I agree with ditching the stock side covers.
2. The seat is awesome! But... I would contour the sides of the pan a bit. When looking at the bike from the rear, the sides of the seat pan are the only straight lines on the bike. I know it seems a bit nit-picky but with all of the custom work you have put in so far the little details will make the difference between a pretty cool custom and an absolute jaw dropper.

Then again WTH do I know... I'm just a newbie here.  ;D

Thanks man!!!

That seat pan will be covered and the pad will soften/round the edge. The front of the seat will overlap the rear of the tank a little also...mostly to cover the rear rubber mount.

are you keeping the rear fender as is?


Yes......fender stays. It will be smoothed out.....then painted to match the tank.

Oh.....thought i'd post a pic of the bike when I first got it....looks a little different now.....


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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2006, 09:47:21 AM »
Yeah, you could say it's looking a little different. It's looking really good.

There's something funky going on with the line of the tank in this photo though.

Maybe it's just the quality of the photo.

I still think you need to take another look at those side covers. Look at the photo from behind the bike. The side covers just stick right out there. If you could relocate the stuff behind, it would look so.... right. The look would be really simplified and I think would draw out the custom work you're doing with the seat and tank. IMO of course. It's kicking ass as is.

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2006, 09:51:01 AM »



            Greg,

                       I really like where you're going with this bike but, I gotta wonder if a set of fabricated aluminum side covers might work better. I mean, you've got a talent when it come to shaping things out of metal and I wondered if you'd thought about going that route? Just a thought.

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2006, 10:05:33 AM »
Yeah, you could say it's looking a little different. It's looking really good.

There's something funky going on with the line of the tank in this photo though.

Maybe it's just the quality of the photo.

I still think you need to take another look at those side covers. Look at the photo from behind the bike. The side covers just stick right out there. If you could relocate the stuff behind, it would look so.... right. The look would be really simplified and I think would draw out the custom work you're doing with the seat and tank. IMO of course. It's kicking ass as is.

Jeff

Yeah.....I see that.....its just the photo. Probadly something funky with the pixels when I resized the photo. Still need to grind that weld off the front and weld in a curved piece at the top, to curve around the frame back bone.

Also.....those cover are just resting on there and are barely hanging on. I still need to put in the new rubber gromets. Once they are in.....the tops of the side covers will go in about 1/2".




 Greg,

 I really like where you're going with this bike but, I gotta wonder if a set of fabricated aluminum side covers might work better. I mean, you've got a talent when it come to shaping things out of metal and I wondered if you'd thought about going that route? Just a thought.

 Later on, Bill



I've thought about making some alloy side covers....but I like the stock ones. Once everything is painted the same color....I think you guys will see.

Hell....."IF" they look like #$%*.....then i'll pull out a few cold ones(barley pops).....crank up the radio in the garage and start hammering away.

Keep the info coming guys.......I like to hear your ideas!!!!

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Greg

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2006, 10:09:52 AM »
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Gonna hammer out the otherside tonight and try to get a customers tank finished.
I didn't want to bust your balls, but I thought the two sides didn't quite match.  ;)  Now I understand.

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Yes......fender stays. It will be smoothed out.....then painted to match the tank.
Noooo!  Polish the crap outta that tank.  It's the only way to go after all that work.  Maybe just some accent colors?

I was wondering if you had any pics of one of your 400F tanks mounted up to a bike.  I'm about to either bite the bullet and do the paint and body work on my tank, or am thinking about a custom aluminum piece.  Interested to see what yours look like on the frame.


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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2006, 11:16:47 AM »

Noooo!  Polish the crap outta that tank.  It's the only way to go after all that work.  Maybe just some accent colors?


No.....not painting the entire tank. Was thinking about scallops...with them in the raw alloy or something similar to my red CB350 cafe racer, where the edges and front are alloy........accented in black.


I was wondering if you had any pics of one of your 400F tanks mounted up to a bike.  I'm about to either bite the bullet and do the paint and body work on my tank, or am thinking about a custom aluminum piece. Interested to see what yours look like on the frame.


Dont have a 400f...but have a 350f, which has the same frame. Only problem, is that its a junk bike stuffed back in the corner of the garage.....behind 4 other bikes and would take a half a day to get out. Should have seen me climbing/laying over that junk pile when I was doing my measurements, to build the 350f tank. My other half thoought I was up to something kinky with my bikes.......she knows i'm weird with these bike anyway. ;D

If I get a chance i'll try and get it out.....

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2006, 11:23:00 AM »


          Greg,


                Just like you to know that it's always interesting to see what you have going.

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2006, 11:49:00 AM »
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If I get a chance i'll try and get it out.....

No hurry, don't hurt yourself in there.  ;)  My garage is under a hostile takeover by 3 huge strollers, 2 bike trailers and other assorted kiddie paraphenalia.


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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2006, 01:11:27 PM »
Very nicely done!! Looking forward to seeing the end result. And lucky you to have the skills to actually be able to create 'stuff'.
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2006, 03:14:53 PM »
Greg ,

I think a scallop paintjob would really look killer on that scoot.
Maybe have the scallops themselves "turned", then have the paint as the background with a black pinstripe to set it off ?
Kinda like a the HD Screaming Eagle Fatboy, which had raw metal under clear (actually pretty cool idea)
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2006, 03:58:44 PM »
I really like the tank and seat pan.  Infact the whole thing really looks good..  Do you have any tips for someone wanting to do the same kind of alloy forming?  I'd love to build a tank and aluminum would be my first choice but I don't have a TIG and no access to anyone who does.  I do alot of metal forming (sculpting) but it has all been out of cold rolled steel and copper/brass.   Would aluminum be eaiser or less forgiving? Do you just use mallets and hammers or do you have english wheels and those power hammers? What do you use to weld these tanks and such that you build.  I'm guessing TIG but I've heard there are ways of doing it w/ oxy/act... any other tips?   

Sorry for all the Q's but you'vr really inspired me to take the jump and try making some side covers (little to no welding maybe?) and or a tank ( as soon as I find a TIG or other method of welding aluminium)


Keep up the kick A$$ work!

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2006, 05:50:18 AM »
Greg ,

I think a scallop paintjob would really look killer on that scoot.
Maybe have the scallops themselves "turned", then have the paint as the background with a black pinstripe to set it off ?
Kinda like a the HD Screaming Eagle Fatboy, which had raw metal under clear (actually pretty cool idea)

PT....thats exactly what I was thinking of doing. I've seen a few scallop designs I really like.....now its just a matter of getting them to look the correct way on my tank.

I really like the tank and seat pan. Infact the whole thing really looks good.. Do you have any tips for someone wanting to do the same kind of alloy forming? I'd love to build a tank and aluminum would be my first choice but I don't have a TIG and no access to anyone who does. I do alot of metal forming (sculpting) but it has all been out of cold rolled steel and copper/brass. Would aluminum be eaiser or less forgiving? Do you just use mallets and hammers or do you have english wheels and those power hammers? What do you use to weld these tanks and such that you build. I'm guessing TIG but I've heard there are ways of doing it w/ oxy/act... any other tips?

Sorry for all the Q's but you'vr really inspired me to take the jump and try making some side covers (little to no welding maybe?) and or a tank ( as soon as I find a TIG or other method of welding aluminium)

Keep up the kick A$$ work!

Definately have to use a good TIG welder. My first tank....I tried to use my MIG with alloy wire......HORRIBLE!! Very difficult to get the bead to start, then once you got a bead....about an inch into it......it would burn thru. I wasnt sure if I could TIG weld....so went and used a friends to try it out......LOVED IT!! Something about having the right tools for the job....makes it so much easier. I went out and bought me a nice Hobart Tigmate.....pretty expensive...ouch.....but worth it. Actually.....I find welding with the TIG easier than welding with the MIG.

As for working with aluminum......I love it. Most of the time I dont even anneal it.....as it tends to bend too much. Very easy to work with.....and if you dont like a certain bend......just bend it back. Thats the nice thing about working with metal....you can always go back to your starting point. The only draw back it that your forearms sometimes feel like Popeyes forearms. Working with aluminum is like working with super stiff posterboard that stays in place after you fold or bend it....I guess thats the best way to put it. Thats why I make all my templates out of posterboard.....cause if the posterboard can bend to a certain shape......so too will the aluminum.

Also.....tools I use are all hammers and dollies.....no english wheels or planishing hammers. Alot of times I just use something laying around that has the shape I need.....then hammer or bend the alloy around it. Having a very large vise helps also. I have one from my grandfather........took 2 guys to lift it onto my work bench to mount it.

Hopefully this helps......most important....just get a few hammers....slap hammers.....and dollies....then beat the crap out of some aluminum for awhile and see what it does. After awhile you will see how it reacts and understand how to layout designs and get certain radius's(sp??)

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2006, 09:40:47 AM »
Greg ,

I think a scallop paintjob would really look killer on that scoot.
Maybe have the scallops themselves "turned", then have the paint as the background with a black pinstripe to set it off ?
Kinda like a the HD Screaming Eagle Fatboy, which had raw metal under clear (actually pretty cool idea)

Hey PT....check out this pic of some turned scallops, that I found on some Japanese chopper website. These guys have some nice rides....


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http://sparetime.jp/index_p.html

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2006, 11:41:36 AM »
Great work - I like the seat especially. Like you say I don't think it is possible to form a real opinion on the side covers until they are painted to blend in with the overall scheme. They work well with the lines of the seat and tank in that front 3/4 pic but maybe not so good from the side. It's difficult to get it right from every angle. A quick silver spray will make them 'shout' less and give you a balanced view.
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2006, 12:36:08 PM »
GREG-->That turned tank is sweet.
I have decided what I am gonna do with my tank, and should have some pics of it by this weekend.
I had it in raw form, and it just didn't flow with the rest of the bike. If I end up building a triumph over the winter (which I am about 85% sure I am) , then it will get some sort of raw metal/turned tank..
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2006, 07:27:11 AM »
Check out this CB500 I found on the next.......I like those white walls.......hummmm??????

Wonder how they would look on my bike???


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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2006, 08:27:50 AM »
The white walls will be perfect.

I'd like to try my hand at making a tank and we talked about TIG welding in another thread. So where do you get the aluminum or sheet metal?

Also, you had pics in another thread that showed a powder coated frame that looked chrome. Is there a thread or pics of that process with details about the powdercoating? The look was awesome.
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2006, 09:55:55 AM »
Check out this CB500 I found on the next.......I like those white walls.......hummmm??????
Wonder how they would look on my bike???

You could put an eye out with those exhausts....
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2006, 12:17:34 PM »
Can't go wrong with whitewalls on a scoot like that.
On yours I would keep the blackwalls - but thats just me...
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2006, 01:19:04 PM »
The white walls will be perfect.

I'd like to try my hand at making a tank and we talked about TIG welding in another thread. So where do you get the aluminum or sheet metal?

Also, you had pics in another thread that showed a powder coated frame that looked chrome. Is there a thread or pics of that process with details about the powdercoating? The look was awesome.
any racecar fabrication shop will have it.
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2006, 08:27:00 AM »
The whitewalls would look good, just look at Chippyfive50's bike.

The exhaust pipes on the 500 above are fricken hideous. Where's the puking emoticon when you need one?

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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2006, 09:28:46 AM »
I for one like the aggressive/off the wall pipes on that scoot.
On a bike like that, doing something out of the norm / eye catching is kinda the norm.
If I ever get around to building another bike is will most likely be a hardtailed CB550 with some
wicked bent pipes, so EVERYONE can hear me comming  ;D
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2006, 06:43:49 AM »
If he gets $3800 for that I should be able to get allot fo rmy scoot...
Anyone wanna give me $5k for my ride ? ;D
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Re: Lowered CB500/4 is slowly coming together......
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2006, 02:42:38 PM »
Random Question, how did you go about lowering the front end? Also do you or anyone have a link to where I can get the rear lowering blocks? I want to lower a 550 so the girlfriend can fit on it without tip toes.

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