Topic: Seriously, this is getting out of hand.

[sparty]

This guy is selling a CB.  First look at the year and model, then look at the engine size, then look at the starting/asking price.  This seller has no idea.  It should be mint/stock original for that price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-Honda-CB754_W0QQitemZ160023027824QQihZ006QQcategoryZ80647QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sparty

[Rocking-M]

At least no one has been bit yet

[winston]

What's a 74 Triumph Bonneville going for?  (more)

A Norton Commando 750? (more)

An early Kawi KZ900? (more)

Arguably, the Honda CB750 is a more important bike in the history of the industry.

And the Honda would be the most reliable of the bunch, generally speaking.

I don't think things are out of hand at all...frankly, I'm surprised more people aren't snapping up vintage Hondas as a profit-making hobby...I know there's enough vintage working Hondas around my way that sell for $200-$500 Canuckibux that it's crossed my mind.

I collect/buy/sell Marshall amps, Gibson and Fender guitars as a way to put good quality gear in the hands of my kids, neices and nephews (oh yeah...and in my hands too) and I know that there's waaaaay more old working Hondas sitting around at bargain prices than there are barn-find Marshall JCM 800's.

[bill440cars]

           

               One Day, and that might not be too far off, the prices are going to be up to where we're going to wonder what happened. Some sellers on ebay are already acting like they are selling gold. So, let's don't go broadcasting about how valuable they should be. Look at the VW Bug. Used to be able too pick them up real cheap and build them on a tight budget, not now. The old Hondas could be next.

[Uncle Ernie]

It's his first time on Ebay. It may take him some time to realize you don't start bidding that high and you need good pictures.
On the other hand, it could be the divorce court said he has to sell...

[Dave K]

Oh, but look how original it is? Back wheel, forks, exhaust, repaint, these are things I see without and studying. Not that they have to be all original, but it usually will get the highest price.

[winston]

           

               One Day, and that might not be too far off, the prices are going to be up to where we're going to wonder what happened. Some sellers on ebay are already acting like they are selling gold. So, let's don't go broadcasting about how valuable they should be. Look at the VW Bug. Used to be able too pick them up real cheap and build them on a tight budget, not now. The old Hondas could be next.

Vintage K0 and K1 bikes are already as prized as a good Bonneville or Commando dollar-wise, and I think you'll see vintage Hondas in good shape appreciate in a fairly predictable way as the chopper/cruiser craze saturates the boomer generation and they go looking for something more old-school and more affordable as a second or vintage bike....the most expensive K2 through K8 750s in restored condition are still barely half the price of a new Honda ACE 750, after all, and a fraction the price of a new Victory 8 Ball or any of the other "affordable" faux choppers.

[kuyarico]

At least no one has been bit yet

And I doubt anyone will.

[Bob Wessner]

At least no one has been bit yet

And I doubt anyone will.

Good prediction, no bids and the auction is over.

[siter81]

Darn it, I waited too long to bid.I should have bid right away.I thought i may have gotten outbid if i had waited?





Siter81 

[GroovieGhoulie]

Vintage K0 and K1 bikes are already as prized as a good Bonneville or Commando dollar-wise

This really pisses me off since the only CB750 that turns me on is the K0.  The earlier the better, but I'll probably wind up with a Die-Cast for a rider.  With all the original K0 parts of course!

What's a 74 Triumph Bonneville going for?  (more)

A Norton Commando 750? (more)

An early Kawi KZ900? (more)

Arguably, the Honda CB750 is a more important bike in the history of the industry.

And the Honda would be the most reliable of the bunch, generally speaking.

I don't think things are out of hand at all...frankly, I'm surprised more people aren't snapping up vintage Hondas as a profit-making hobby...I know there's enough vintage working Hondas around my way that sell for $200-$500 Canuckibux that it's crossed my mind.

I collect/buy/sell Marshall amps, Gibson and Fender guitars as a way to put good quality gear in the hands of my kids, neices and nephews (oh yeah...and in my hands too) and I know that there's waaaaay more old working Hondas sitting around at bargain prices than there are barn-find Marshall JCM 800's.

The writing IS on the wall.  Get 'em while you can because soon, they will be totally unaffordable to the average guy.

Regarding Guitar amps: I've been looking for a nice condition , (yet affordable) Marshall JMP Mark II Super-Lead 100w like Johnny Ramone had.  Difficult, as you can imagine.

[nickjtc]

As long as there is demand for old Hondas in countries where their own bikes are getting very scarce, the value of our bikes will slowly creep up. I've said it before, if you have a complete, original, machine with everything on it that was there when it came from the factory, you can send it to Europe and get 'pounds for dollars'.

[sparty]

What's a 74 Triumph Bonneville going for?  (more)

A Norton Commando 750? (more)

An early Kawi KZ900? (more)

Arguably, the Honda CB750 is a more important bike in the history of the industry.

And the Honda would be the most reliable of the bunch, generally speaking.

I don't think things are out of hand at all...frankly, I'm surprised more people aren't snapping up vintage Hondas as a profit-making hobby...I know there's enough vintage working Hondas around my way that sell for $200-$500 Canuckibux that it's crossed my mind.

I collect/buy/sell Marshall amps, Gibson and Fender guitars as a way to put good quality gear in the hands of my kids, neices and nephews (oh yeah...and in my hands too) and I know that there's waaaaay more old working Hondas sitting around at bargain prices than there are barn-find Marshall JCM 800's.

Winston,

For a bike in that condition it is.

Sparty

[Chris Schneiter]

I don't think it's that unreasonable! It's ONLY $5000.00 more than I paid for mine, and mine didn't need carb work!

[sparty]

I don't think it's that unreasonable! It's ONLY $5000.00 more than I paid for mine, and mine didn't need carb work!

EXACTLY!

[tramp]

dealer out by me had one all stock for 2500

[sparty]

A guy I know, who lives near Philly, was selling a cherry '71 CB750 all stock with 9K for $3500.  I almost bought it, but...

I know that these bikes will grow in value, but they need to be stock, unmolested, and well maintained to grab the big money.  My cafe' conversion will actually take away from its value, but I never intended to sell it for a profit or sell it at all.  It makes me happy to ride something that I had a hand in creating.

Sparty

[cmorgan47]

A guy I know, who lives near Philly, was selling a cherry '71 CB750 all stock with 9K for $3500.  I almost bought it, but...

I know that these bikes will grow in value, but they need to be stock, unmolested, and well maintained to grab the big money.  My cafe' conversion will actually take away from its value, but I never intended to sell it for a profit or sell it at all.  It makes me happy to ride something that I had a hand in creating.

Sparty

agreed.

at the "dream cruise" i saw another guy on a 75 400, but his was _super stock_.  seriously looked like he just bought it from the dealer.  he can probably get a fair sum for it, and it made me realize that, now that i've started chopping mine, it'll never get much higher in value than the day it became a daily runner.  which was, an improvement over the day i bought it. 

that said, it also made me happy that it was so ratty when i got it.  i wasn't afraid to take a socket set, some spray paint, and a die grinder to it and now it's really starting to take shape.

need to get the seat on it though.  desperately.

[winston]

Winston,

For a bike in that condition it is.

Sparty

Well sure, agreed...I meant that generally speaking, vintage Hondas are probably undervalued.

Either that, or this forum is a collection of exceptionally sharp shoppers!

(probably both)

[nickjtc]

Either that, or this forum is a collection of exceptionally sharp shoppers!

"Econo-bikers"

[sparty]

Winston,

For a bike in that condition it is.

Sparty

Well sure, agreed...I meant that generally speaking, vintage Hondas are probably undervalued.

Either that, or this forum is a collection of exceptionally sharp shoppers!

(probably both)

I am not sure if they are undervalued.  Their current average selling price is right where it should be considering the supply.  There are thousands of CBs out there that are in fairly good condition. 

If you were to chip away at the supply and keep the demand where it is, then I could rationalize 5k for a CB 750.  However, if they were 5K, the membership of this forum would be considerably smaller.  But, according to a thread that I started last month, many of us have put several grand into our bikes bringing our totals somewhere near 5k.  I know I have.  Then again, I have a 836cc conversion, cam, head work, 4 into 1 exhaust, etc.

Sparty

[nickjtc]

As posted in 'bikes for sale':

http://www.johnmosseyrestorations.com/Bikes_for_sale.htm

Scroll down and have your medication handy. That's $18,750 for a K1!

[dusterdude]

As posted in 'bikes for sale':

http://www.johnmosseyrestorations.com/Bikes_for_sale.htm

Scroll down and have your medication handy. That's $18,750 for a K1!

damn,ya`ll can have mine for 10 grand.

[GroovieGhoulie]

As posted in 'bikes for sale':

http://www.johnmosseyrestorations.com/Bikes_for_sale.htm

Scroll down and have your medication handy. That's $18,750 for a K1!

The pic shows a K0, with MOST of the desirable superseded parts.  It has some missing, but that's not too bad.  I don't think it's worth more than 12-14K, evne totally restored.  If it was a sandcast, it would approach 20K in that shape.

[nickjtc]

The pic shows a K0, with MOST of the desirable superseded parts.  It has some missing, but that's not too bad.  I don't think it's worth more than 12-14K, evne totally restored.  If it was a sandcast, it would approach 20K in that shape.

Hey Groovie....so what are 'desirable parts' on a K0. Just curious. Thanks

[jdhasten]

anyone with the cash should jump all over it, considering it has the super-modified 754 engine that was produced for a steve mcqueen baja cb750..... radical

[GroovieGhoulie]

The pic shows a K0, with MOST of the desirable superseded parts.  It has some missing, but that's not too bad.  I don't think it's worth more than 12-14K, evne totally restored.  If it was a sandcast, it would approach 20K in that shape.

Hey Groovie....so what are 'desirable parts' on a K0. Just curious. Thanks

black kill switch
104mm rearview mirrors (later mirrors were 114mm)
dished concave brake reservoir cap
cut front fender
ducktail seat
louvered sidecovers
body-colored airbox
wrinkle tank, which was slightly wider than the K1 and later tanks
body-colored headlight bucket and fork ears
non-marked pipes with no brake pedal indent
non-reflective heatshields on top pipes
black "HONDA" on tank
Early "plastic" gauges with higher 8500 RPM redline
carbs with a 1-into-4 cable versus a linkage
silver brake caliper
recessed ignition with "plug" type key
Exhaust pipe clamps have 11 fins versus later bikes having 13
Horn on the right instead of the left
Fork lowers had smaller shoulders for the rubber gaitors
Smooth oil filter cover versus finned

ETA: Oh yeah, I forgot the aggressive timing advance mechanism, which was more "performance" oriented, and the cam was hotter than later machines.  The engine was tuned harder too, making the K0 the most "hariy-chested brute" of the entire 750 line.  Maybe the last F models were faster, but the K0s were defintely more Bad-Ass.

That's all I can think of right now and I know I'm forgetting a bunch.

The recessed ignitions and right-hand controls with black kill switches fetch close to $1000 EACH, and that's WHEN you can find them.

I want an early K0 (diecast though, so I can drive it), with ALL the early features SOOOO bad.

[free_spirit_rider]

 Re: Seriously, this is getting out of hand.
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2006, 01:20:07 PM »   

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As long as there is demand for old Hondas in countries where their own bikes are getting very scarce, the value of our bikes will slowly creep up. I've said it before, if you have a complete, original, machine with everything on it that was there when it came from the factory, you can send it to Europe and get 'pounds for dollars'.

Hey Nick ~  Old Hondas in other countries besides the US aren't the only place they're getting scarce!  My '78 CB750A is a Great example.  There were only approx 1500 ever built in 1978, and there's fewer than 200 left!  Now THAT's SCARCE!!  Another good example is just how many are listed in this 'club'.  I've had mine for 14 years and got it for $700, and coulda bought another one at the same time then for $800.  I have been offered $5,000 to $8,000 from 3 different people.  It's not only the LEGACY of the SOHC-4's, but old movies like "EasyRider" have peeked an interest in them!  I ride mine daily with a few harley 'Old-Timers' and even THEY respect my SOHC-4!  I also 'collect' '62 - '64 Chevy 409's, (I have 4 originals), and their Legacy still lives on also!  But...then again, I was way ahead of the 'game' when I bought them before they were recognized as 'collectibles.

[ofreen]

Prices are climbing.  I will sell my '75 750F, all original, owned by me since 7/4/77, only 103,000 miles, still running strong.  I have decided to start the bidding at $1 per mile, or $103,000.  Good bidding and good luck.

[bill440cars]

          free_spirit,

                  I knew that they didn't build a lot of the 750As but, I didn't know how many. My Dad has a
          78' that he picked up for $250 that had a Wind Jammer, Bags and all. First thing he did was pull all
          that stuff off. It's complete and the motor is free. He's busy trying to get parts to put lights back
          on it and get them working. He's 81, so it'll be a slow process. He doesn't get in much of a hurry
          any more and that's understandable. I see where you have some "409" cars. Even though I'm a
          MOPAR nut at heart, I've always liked the 61'- 64' 409 cars (especially, the Impala SS). I'd like to
          see some shots of those, if it's not too much trouble. I had a 58' Impala  2dr hdtp w/ the 348 
          4-barrel/powerglide and was a pretty good runner for a heavy car.             Later on, Bill

[nickjtc]

In this months VJMC magazine, differences between 'sandcast' and K0 750's:

Sandcast                                                                     K0

Sandcast cylinder heads,block,cases,cable drives,               Diecast ditto
gauge backs, chain adjuster housing, sump cover
Nine hole clutch cover                                                  Ten hole clutch cover
Unfinned oil filter housing (pre-frame 1800)                      Finned oil filter housing
Cut front fender                                                          Subsequent 800 fenders cut at one
                                                                                 end; later rolled at both ends
Inside of gas tank 'wrinkled' from manufacturing               Subsequent 5000 tanks wrinkled,
                                                                                 then smooth inside
Exhausts unstamped then HM300 later                           Stamped HM300
24" chain guard                                                           24" to start, then longer
Three hole tail light bracket                                          Three hole to start, then later type
Two hole rear fender                                                   Two hole to start, changed in 1970