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biker build-off comment
« on: August 29, 2006, 02:39:46 AM »
I don't know if any of you guys saw it, but on discovery's biker build-off last night Kevin Alsop from Big Bear Choppers basically said anyone not building or buying American made chops is unAmerican.  By this he means a v-twin, not Hondas, Triumphs, etc.  He mentioned that it was tried in the 70's and didn't work.  I don't know about most of you, but my chopped CB750 gets as much attention as many of the Harley's and $30,000 kit/clones at rides and shows.  So as far as I'm concerned, Kevin Alsop, who is Australian working in the U.S., has no idea what he is talking about.  I'm just as patriotic as the next guy, so his comments really put me off.  Sorry about the rant, but I couldn't believe what I heard.

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Re: biker build-off comment
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2006, 09:25:19 AM »
Un American i dont think so, just smart with their money?





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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2006, 09:26:57 AM »
and what could be more "amurcan" than the free market, right?

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2006, 09:44:03 AM »
We here this all the time from the American V-twin crowd though.....if it's not HD/clone it's crap. Of course they are entitled to their views, narrow minded as they are; it's just a huge pity that they are missing out on all of the other really good (and aesthetically pleasing) motor options that are out there.
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2006, 09:48:14 AM »
I thought that type of mentality died with the cold war? ;D
Neanderthals are always the last to catch on.

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2006, 09:58:30 AM »
I thought that type of mentality died with the cold war? ;D

It was resurrected about five years ago. 

Apparently it's okay to buy gas from a foreign country to put in your motorcycle as long as the bike was made by an American owned company (even if many of the parts for that bike were made in yet another foreign country).   

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2006, 11:49:11 AM »
I thought that type of mentality died with the cold war? ;D
Apparently it's okay to buy gas from a foreign country to put in your motorcycle as long as the bike was made by an American owned company (even if many of the parts for that bike were made in yet another foreign country).   

I wonder if the HD crowd really know what percentage of their bike is foreign made.....?
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2006, 12:16:30 PM »
thread hijack.

nick - check your PMs...
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2006, 12:28:55 PM »
ask the ford and gm workers what they think of that.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2006, 01:05:52 PM »
ask the ford and gm workers what they think of that.

Yeah...isn't it interesting how many 'domestic' branded cars are actually built in the far east.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2006, 05:05:56 PM »
I saw that too, thought about it all day at work. Now I AM going to be flipping HD riders off instead of waving. The fact that he was austrailina made it even more agrivating.

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2006, 05:23:52 PM »
you just cant trust those austrians of is it australians.  ;D has anyone seen the sound of music? ME NEITHER

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2006, 05:30:09 PM »
Where is austrainia anyway?


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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2006, 05:38:35 PM »
ask the ford and gm workers what they think of that.

Yeah...isn't it interesting how many "domestic" branded cars are actually built in the far east.

No Kidding - and "Far Eastern" branded cars are made in the U.S.   My wife's Chrysler Town & Country was made in Windsor, Ontario.   My Honda Accord.....Marysville, Ohio.

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Re: biker build-off comment
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2006, 05:41:36 PM »
1993 - 2003 Camaro and Trans-am's were built in St. Terease Canada.
So much for an "American" muscle car eh ?
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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2006, 07:24:36 PM »
you just cant trust those austrians of is it australians.  ;D has anyone seen the sound of music? ME NEITHER

          The Sound Of Music has to do with Austria and that chopper guy is from Australia. I would say that he's just wrong, no matter where he's from. Guess he's never heard of American Honda. I doubt if H-D would still be around if it weren't for Aermachi (or however you spell it) and AMF (MHO). And let me say now that, to any of you who own H-Ds, I don't cut what a guy rides (or drives) unless he cuts on me first.

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2006, 07:31:37 PM »
1993 - 2003 Camaro and Trans-am's were built in St. Terease Canada.
So much for an "American" muscle car eh ?
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2006, 07:35:15 PM »
So 65% of your american Mustang, has japanes parts:and 85% of your japanes toyota previa is american made. Really dose it even matter any more. I'm proud to be Canadian, while riding my japanise bike in a world of american chrome. It's all good man."Just Ride" . It don't matter what, as long as your rididn. :-X

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2006, 07:59:07 PM »



           Yeah Troy, You're right. Hey, if we were to only buy American, we'd have to do a bunch of research to determine what, if anything, was truly 100% American. If it hadn't of been for the other bikes, would H-D have finally started to show some modernization or would they still be building the same old thing? Just a thought.

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2006, 08:12:04 PM »
I will cover this but once.

There would be no need to defend our American made motorcycles if they were worth a #$%*. This was the same for cars many years ago. Toyota released the Tercel which would get 1,000,000 before officially dying and continued to do this with all of thier vehicles. Our big bad American cars about 130,000 and was officially junk for the most part.

I said it then, and I say it now, build one that will keep up with my import and I will GLADLY go buy it.

Lets do the common sense line, it appears that this moron does not know what that means.

My Uncles BRAND NEW HARLEY ROAD GLIDE:
This bike has 3,000 miles on it, all adult driven

1. In shop for the last 2 months
2. burned radio twice
3. burned cb twice
4. dies at random when hot
5. dealer refuses to fix dying problem, they say it is just fine. (so Harley's are supposed to lean die when hot normally?)
6. Bike has left him near walking many times.

His 78' Honda Gold Wing:
This bike has 35,000 miles on it roughly. Motor has never been torn down.

1. Runs perfect even when stone cold.
2. Always starts and runs just like it is supposed to.
3. Bike has never left him walking.
4. Never fails to perform reguardless of temperature.
5. Only problem to date has been an issue with the floats and oxygenated fuel.
6. Great gas mileage

My Honda:
75' Honda K5 - Neglected and abused by the previous owner...
This bike has only made me walk once when I blew the motor that the previous owner seriously abused.

1. Starts in the dead of winter even when the cars fail to start.
2. Reliable performance
3. Great gas mileage
4. No problems since I installed the new motor to replace the previously abused one.

And I know I don't even have to go down this road with Home Wrecker. On the first run with Home Wrecker I passed (without exaggeration) 12 Harley owners stuck on the side of the rode doing some #$%* to try to fix thier pathetic rides. I even saw a few giving thier buddy a push. I have no worries about having to look like an idiot pushing anyones bike at a Honda ride.

In the last month I have talked to lots of Harley owners. I don't nail them I just listen to them tell me about thier bike that they have gotten about 2 weeks of reliable ride time in for the season and the season it almost over here! Most of the time while they are talking thier bike is in the shop.

With that I say it again, if the booger eatin Harley builders build me a bike that performs and is reliable like a fricken Honda I will be the first in line to go buy it. Until then American made vehicles are #$%*! And no amount of patriotic flag wavin hillbilly bs will change my mind. I spent (wasted) 15 years of my life fixing cars and trucks at GM, Ford, and Dodge stealerships. All of them equally crap, just in different ways. Mechanics like American vehicles because they get to do it again and again. Just about every Blazer I have ever seen the front suspension is total and complete #$%* in less than 45,000 miles. On full size trucks no matter what make are crap and need a complete rebuild about every 35-40,000 miles.


I keep saying the same thing again and again, "Build a vehicle that outperforms the import competition and then you have some thing to say". Until then no amount of misguided blind American pride will get me to drive anything else. My Toyota Corolla has just clicked over 260,000 miles today. I abuse this poor car and treat it like a pick up truck. I do NO MAINTAINANCE to it. Change oil? What the hell is that. I think the last time I changed the oil officially was about 80,000 miles ago. Nor will I pay anyone to do so. It has needed axle half shafts for 80,000 miles. I figure I will fix it when it blows. NO other vehicle could put up with this abuse, not even a big fat headed 12 cylinder macho gas suckin heap of a 1 ton american made flag wavin "you sure have purdy mouth" truck. It would have given up along time ago.

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« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2006, 12:03:11 AM »
What he said! :D

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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2006, 03:26:53 AM »
As Bill440cars said, I don't cut on a guy unless he cuts on me first.  I have mentioned to others that I get plenty of attention from all forms of bikers when I get to rides and shows.  I probably get more congrats from the Harkey guys than anyone else.  And when they realize that I did it pretty cost efficiently it really opens their eyes.  I have no problem with most of them.  It's the guys that run around with blinders on spouting the Harley/clone only lines.  I'm an American, I made mine; therefore, American made.  Just like those clones my parts may have originated from someplace else, but the bike has been in the country for 30 years, and rebuilt with American hands.  I'm glad I wasn't the only one offended by another blind builder.  Keep up the good work on all of your chops, American, Japanese, British, or otherwise.  If it suits you, It's cool with me.

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Re: biker build-off comment
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2006, 08:11:52 AM »
Reliable American made motorcycle with more US content than the 'other' brand = Victory. More power for the same money and (to some) way better looking.

I worked in a Polaris dealer for a short while and the scuttlebutt going around was that dealers are unhappy that once they make the sale they never see the bikes again, except for routine maintenance and accessory fitment. Why? Because, so far, they are proving quite reliable.

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« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2006, 08:49:43 AM »
its no secret im a harley guy from way back,but i cannot stomach them damn clones,if you want a harley,buy a harley.
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« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2006, 09:11:54 AM »
its no secret im a harley guy from way back,but i cannot stomach them damn clones,if you want a harley,buy a harley.

But if we were to really beat off about clones, wouldn't we slag Harley, because, after all, they did not produce the first v-twin.....

How things would be different now if it had been an inline four motor, like one of the Indian ones, that was the motor of choice today. Maybe then we would be bashing the Rocket III because it was the same configuration (less one cylinder), but not a real Indian.

Frankly, all of the V-twins look the same to me, which is one reason I do not think I would ever want to own one. But, bottom line, two wheels good, four wheels bad, so whatever a person chooses to ride on two wheels is good for me.
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