So things are getting sorted out with these bikes. Basicly they are barnfind gold like you hear about. Stored inside, titles, both motors roll over nicely and appear to have compression. Mostly unmolested on both, one has original pipes, the other has what look like JC Whitney shorties. Story is the guy quit riding them when he got up into his '70's. They were evidently bought from the same shop, serial numbers withing about 40 or less of each other. Paired for life up to this point. One had a brittle oil feeder to the head that snapped , so after rolling the motor over it was a good indicator that it has oil and pumps it.
The other has a problem with the oil tank draining down into the motor, but likewise it turns over and has compression.