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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2013, 06:04:18 PM »
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2013, 06:11:32 PM »
It is the later 4 dimple tank.

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2013, 01:11:03 AM »
Yep, but still worth a few hundred bucks. ;D
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2013, 02:48:31 AM »
It is the later 4 dimple tank.
?Help me a little Eric. 4 dimple tank? You talking about the two circles and the two half circles?


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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2013, 03:11:07 AM »
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2013, 04:00:58 AM »
It is the later 4 dimple tank.
?Help me a little Eric. 4 dimple tank? You talking about the two circles and the two half circles?



Yes those were put out shortly after production for more clearance for the carb tops. The evolution went from no dimples or what I think is called the 19 litre tank to I believe a 2 dimple tank to eventually settle in with the 4 dimple.

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2013, 04:04:40 AM »
Never paid attention, but my KO is a 4/70 date so my wrinkle tank should be a 4 dimple also.
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2013, 04:12:59 AM »
Never paid attention, but my KO is a 4/70 date so my wrinkle tank should be a 4 dimple also.
That would be my prediction.

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2013, 05:10:08 AM »
And my 10/69 KO wrinkle is also the dimple tank. I wonder how many months they actually did the 9L tank before the switch?
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2013, 05:23:47 AM »
According to the SOOC site the 19L tank went up to VIN 325.  Very rare.  I have one and I've seen a few.  I've heard of the so called 2 dimple tank, supposedly used between the 19L with no dimples and the 4 dimple tanks, but have never seen one.  Might even be more rare.
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2013, 05:45:22 AM »
New K0 wrinkle tank is not the same, right?
http://www.yamiya750.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=144_80&products_id=1521

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Did they start making repro- wrinkle tanks ? :-\


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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2013, 05:48:27 AM »
Question not answered:

what makes a sandcast? The engine or the frame number?

What would you prefer:

a K1-K6 frame with a sandcast engine or a sandcast frame with a K1 - K6 engine?

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2013, 05:59:26 AM »
We could say it was the early period in manufacture when the engine cases were done using a sandcast method and because of the early period at the beginning the bike was still evolving and many little changes were taking place during production. So the early sandcast engine bikes if original have many unique parts also on the frames/wheels etc. that were used only in the early production machines. Nice tidy package when all still all together..

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2013, 06:58:59 AM »
Did they start making repro- wrinkle tanks ? :-\
Yes. 
BTW, the wrinkle tanks were seen well into the early diecast models so not truly just a sandcast part.

what makes a sandcast? The engine or the frame number?
You can have a sandcast engine.  You can have a "sandcast" frame (a frame with a VIN less than 7414).  But a bike without both is not a sandcast bike.  It would be a later frame with a sandcast engine or a sandcast frame with a later engine.  In my opinion.
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2013, 08:33:21 AM »

Yes. 
BTW, the wrinkle tanks were seen well into the early diecast models so not truly just a sandcast part.


Agree. My diecast has one.

But a sandcast without a wrinkle tank is just not complete.
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2013, 01:42:07 AM »
To be a real sandcast that bike needs the most important thing, the thing that names the whole bike: an engine with cases cast in sand.

What to do with it? Hard to say. You can spend a little fortune restoring it and it would never be worth what you have spent, because it is not a full sandcast, and  it would be too expensive to be a regular CB750.

Provided there is interest in many parts from the bike -including the frame-, I would part it and sell the parts, and enjoy the profit! Probably with the money you get you can buy a running CB750 of the newer models. It will save you lots of time and money and you will enjoy it more as you won't feel you are devaluating your asset everytime you ride...

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2013, 02:51:31 AM »
Yes...

but who buys a sandcast frame without the engine?


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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2013, 02:56:30 AM »
CB750 Sandcast, a disease.... I want to find a good old one stored in a barn in good condition for not much money....
I have seen on TV that you in USA have plenty of collectors having good stuff in barns...
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The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2013, 02:58:10 AM »
Yes...

but who buys a sandcast frame without the engine?

If it is cheap, a good start for a project or parts for another better project.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2013, 03:29:53 AM »
Yes...

but who buys a sandcast frame without the engine?

Member Ujeni, in the first page of this very same thread, is asking the original poster wether he would be interested in selling the frame....

If there is interest in the frame, the rest of the parts will go easier. Recessed ignition, cut front fender, short chainguard, wrinkle tank, frame, you already have more than 1k on that. Sell the rest of the stuff and you get close to the 2k, enough for getting a decent CB750, at least doing a quick math.

I think this situation could be beneficial for both the original poster and those in need of sandcast parts. The OP can get a decent profit on his state sale, and the sandcast people can get those elusive parts.

Think about it: it is very unlikely that if you gather all the scathered sandcast parts around the world, you complete an exact number of sandcast bikes. Somewhere there will be excess of chainguards, tanks or frames, and there will be lack of some other parts. I mean, if this bike gets restored and there are no surplus sandcast engines, this bike will remain unfinished forever. And whoever is in need of a wrinkle tank or a short chainguard will have his sandcast also unfinished because this bike, that could have be a great donor bike, is awaiting for a sandcast engine. Not all the bikes are a good base for restoration, and some must be sacrificed so others can be completed. At least that's the way I see it.

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2013, 07:10:54 AM »
Yes...

but who buys a sandcast frame without the engine?

If it is cheap, a good start for a project or parts for another better project.

100 Points, fully agree.

So he may just keep it and do the project !!
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2013, 07:12:27 AM »
I think he bought it as an investment....
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2013, 04:46:16 AM »
Hello members,  I am going to part out the bike. Member  Raul CB750K1  makes sense. It would be a shame to sit on this with no hope of completing.  Frame,ft fender, & horn have been spoken for.  I will put the rest on Ebay. If a member is looking for a part please let me know. I know someone is looking for the chain guard & I sent him a message.
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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2013, 06:29:52 AM »
Interested in the rear wheel, and the seat.  I'll send you a PM.

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Re: Is a bike a sandcast or just the motor?
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2013, 06:45:37 AM »
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