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Offline martin_uk

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CB400F Horn Repair
« on: December 26, 2013, 04:49:52 AM »

CB400F Horn Repair

The horn fitted when I purchased bike was not original and missing the bracket that holds rubber strap used to secure wiring loom.

Saw an original on Ebay, won auction, but horn doesn’t work >:(

I was going to bin the horn but thought I would ask if anyone had attempted repair.

Had one reply  from Runuv "cut the rolled edge in a couple of places and opened the horn on my 400 I repaired it and put it back together works fine" so thought I would try.

Before dismantling I had found that there was an open circuit between two terminals and even after removing large  and small adjuster this stayed open.

After removing the plastic cover ( I warmed with a hot air gun as it was pretty cold in my garage) by gently levering off in slots.

I made one angled cut to folded edge with junior hacksaw and used nail remover pincers to peel back folded edge.

Also used long nosed pliers in the process to allow clamping ring to be removed.

Take care not to damage paper gasket when removing horn plate..

The problem could now be seen, which was corroded contacts.

When power is fed to horn it energises the coil of wire which draws the metal centre inwards.

There is an insulating ring that pushes up against the contacts arm and separates the contacts.

With the power disconnected the centre moves outwards, allowing contacts to close and process repeats until power removed.

I cleaned the contacts with emery cloth and now had a resistance of 1.5 ohms between terminals.

Held horn together and adjusted small and large screws to approx. original positions.

Applied power to terminals and small beep from horn.

Re assembled and carefully folded edge back in place.

Tone and volume are adjusted using the two adjusters on a trial and error basis until you get the sound you want.

Hope this helps anyone wanting to try and resurrect a faulty horn.


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Re: CB400F Horn Repair
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2013, 07:25:21 AM »
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Re: CB400F Horn Repair
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2013, 03:34:58 AM »
Having probs attaching all images in one go, as file size too big.
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Re: CB400F Horn Repair
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 03:36:03 AM »
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Re: CB400F Horn Repair
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2013, 03:49:05 AM »
Thanks Martin.
Going to do my 500 soon and this will help! I may post a few pics here as well of mine.
Although a new aftermarket is not pricey, my build budget is already busted so whatever can be saved goes to more aesthetically pleasing parts....

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Re: CB400F Horn Repair
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2013, 02:28:06 AM »
Hi Martin- top guy for 'having a go'. I am the same and it gives you a real sense of satisfaction  when you manage to fix things like this. I am in the UK and restored my 400/4 in1986 all except the horn  but it probably needs  a strip down now. I would like to strip it to re zinc the components (tricky I know with electrical assemblies but I did it with my 750K0 regulator with great success. Perhaps tightening a hose clamp ('Jubilee'clip in UK) would  help  whilst de-crimping, as is done with  Honda Tacho/Speedo bands when restoring instruments.

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Re: CB400F Horn Repair
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2013, 05:53:52 AM »
Hi Martin- top guy for 'having a go'. I am the same and it gives you a real sense of satisfaction  when you manage to fix things like this. I am in the UK and restored my 400/4 in1986 all except the horn  but it probably needs  a strip down now. I would like to strip it to re zinc the components (tricky I know with electrical assemblies but I did it with my 750K0 regulator with great success. Perhaps tightening a hose clamp ('Jubilee'clip in UK) would  help  whilst de-crimping, as is done with  Honda Tacho/Speedo bands when restoring instruments.

Cheers AshD
Thanks for encouragement Ash. I will zinc plate the bracket that holds loom strap, and maybe the adjusters and nuts. The spade terminals are riveted, but could be drilled just enough to release and then peened over. The contact assembly and coil assemblies are also riveted in, but given time and care could be removed and refitted.

If you really wanted to you might also be able to replace rivets with screws.

Honda probably never expected anyone to try to fix !

Like you say, good to try, as restoring bikes to me  is all about the satisfaction of bringing them  back to life through your own skill and ingenuity.

I have a local plater that charges £30 for a shoe box size of bits, either in Bright Zinc Plate or in the original yellow finish. They need electric wire brushing first, but look great when done.

They acid dip first, so will damage some materiels.
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Re: CB400F Horn Repair
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2013, 06:00:47 AM »
Original horn, not sure if UK horn is different to US?
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