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Offline Clasico

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First service after buying
« on: November 20, 2013, 05:45:23 AM »
I'm taking my new 500 K1 for its first service after buying it.
The bike was restored, mainly cosmetically plus clutch discs, 3 years ago and has done 2000 miles ever since. It runs basically ok, but i want to make sure that everything is all right.
This is the list of things i'll ask the mech to do:
- change oil and filter. Dont know wether to use 10-40 or 20-50 viscosity
- check air filter
- see the points and change if needed
- same for plugs. Which ones are best?
- check brake fluid and bleed if needed. Very poor front braking now
- check cam chain and adjust. Rather noisy on cold starting (dont know for sure if it is cam, primary noise or both)
- check primary chain for slack. Hope its not touching oil passages!
- adjust carburettors
- adjust clutch for smoother operation
- see if something can be done to engage neutral. Almost impossible right now

Is there anything else you would recomend to do?
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 05:57:08 AM »
I'm not trying to be a smart a** , But learn to do this yourself!!!
You are in for a big surprise when this MECHANIC gets finished with your bike.
Unless you KNOW this mechanics reputation and integrity he's liable to tell you all kinds of horror stories about what needs CHANGED on your bike because bike shops are a business and they can't stay a business without making MONEY. Most $$$$ is made from parts= 200/300% markup so be prepared for a list of items that need to be replaced!!!


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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 06:14:11 AM »
Probably for less $$ than the mechanic will charge you, you can buy all the tools (synchronizer gauges, wrenches, feeler gauges) and the replacement parts. Then you have everything for when you do it again.

Otherwise, make sure the mechanic knows THESE bikes. A lot of horror stories about mechanics who #$%* up old bikes that are brought in for service.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 06:59:35 AM »
I know, i should be doing the maintenance myself but my spanner experience relates to single two stroke dirt bikes. The look of those four cylinders, four carbs and 40 years history far exceeds my abilities. However I'll start doing the basics myself after this first service with the invaluable help of this knowledgeable forum.

I'll look into the 3k service and use it as a guideline fo the mech. Of course anything out of the normal routine will have to be agreed beforehand. I'll even ty to get a previous quote for the job!

Regarding oil, yes Madrid is nice and sunny but pretty cold in winter so i think mineral 10-40  is the safer bet for easing a bit the gearbox and protect the engine.

I'll take some pics
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 07:17:44 AM »
If you have done work on 2 strokers you are more than qualified.
If you have the time and a garage this winter get and start reading the Honda bible, read procedures from this website, buy the tools and do the work yourself.
These machines are not too complex once you break the systems down to their basic components.

The only way I know these days if something is done properly with my bike is if I do it myself.
Most shops do not have the experience these days to be able to properly work on these bikes in this day and age.
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 08:35:25 AM »
Don't sell yourself short, none of the basic 3,000 mile/5,000 km maintenance items require major mechanical skills. Just download the manual and follow the instructions, you can do it.

The primary chain is inside the cases and the only way to inspect it is to disassemble the engine. so I wouldn't be worried about that.
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 09:40:49 AM »
Been to a couple of shops both recommended by soch drivers.

- one is a modern, tidy shop with plenty of modern bikes awaiting fixes. However the owner (young lad the age of my CB 500) tells me he has done some fours in the past.

- the other is a smallish old style shop. Not very clean or modern. There are a few old bikes around (boxers, kawa Z,..). The owner, an enthusiast bloke into his 60s, asks me to start the bike and compliments me on her state. The engine is hot so not very noisy. Without looking much he bets the stiff clutch comes from the cable not been well routed.
He noticed some oil on the barrels, no dipping though (not difficult to see), and recommends me to put a new gasket without resurfacing head or barrels. For the rest he'll do a 3000 mile service.

Bearing in mind that there arent many fours in Spain and threfore not many knowledgeable spanners. What you reckon about these two shops? Easy, no?
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2013, 10:59:43 AM »
"The look of those four cylinders, four carbs and 40 years history far exceeds my abilities."

Unfortunately that will be the case of your modern motorcycle mechanic as well. A lot of newer bike shops won't even touch these old bikes. We all learned to do it ourselves, you can too! Just ask.

First off get yourself a manual, you can download them for free from this board. Any other issues just use the search function first. If you don't find an answer just start a new thread with your question or problem in the subject line and put your bike year and model in your personal sig. Personally I hate subject lines like "PLEASE HELP!!!" We know you need help that's why we are here.  Welcome aboard.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2013, 02:35:36 PM »
It is perfectly okay to have it serviced in a shop. With these old bikes, it is important though, to verify that their mechanics are experienced in working with them. Over here, there are several dealerships that are specialized in the old Hondas. There is nothing wrong with letting them do the work for you. Some people would actually save money doing so  ;)
I would have them change the brake fluid for sure. It might also be a good idea to change the fork oil if you cannot recall when it was changed the last time. The "poor front braking" is standard--but I am not sure what you are comparing it to. Steel brake lines would be a marginal improvement.
It is true though that none of these services are challenging. I don't know about this one though: check primary chain for slack.
Again, it would be good though to find a shop that has been recommended to you. 
I don't let anyone else work on my Honda (although I just turned in the swing arm to be powder coated and had the carbs cleaned professionally, i.e., ultra sonic). On the other hand, my BMW is always serviced in the shop. I don't think it makes you less of a man. If you enjoy driving your bike but not working on it, why not have others take care of it for you. I don't fix my washer or dryer myself either. Too many gifted owners here take their knowledge and abilities for granted. I have seen the smallest maintenance work turn into a disaster. Some people have two left hands, others just don't have the time to work on their vehicles.

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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2013, 04:30:13 PM »
I have seen the smallest maintenance work turn into a disaster.

Hey, watch it bud!  ::)

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 05:04:46 PM »
If you're going to deal with a shop I'd try and find one with a tech that's at least as old as your bike, then he'll at least know what the hell he's dealing with. When I first got my bike and started calling a couple of the Honda specific shops to get a spring tune up done, I was told by one that they didn't work on bikes older that 1982. Hahaha, what a joke. I have since learned to do the routine maintenance myself and then some. I've owned 60's volvos so was pretty familiar with keeping an old vehicle as a daily driver on the road myself, once I learn how to tear down and rebuild a motor I'll be good to go.
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 05:54:39 PM »
"The look of those four cylinders, four carbs and 40 years history far exceeds my abilities."

Unfortunately that will be the case of your modern motorcycle mechanic as well. A lot of newer bike shops won't even touch these old bikes. We all learned to do it ourselves, you can too! Just ask.

First off get yourself a manual, you can download them for free from this board. Any other issues just use the search function first. If you don't find an answer just start a new thread with your question or problem in the subject line and put your bike year and model in your personal sig. Personally I hate subject lines like "PLEASE HELP!!!" We know you need help that's why we are here.  Welcome aboard.

I'll have to agree with Duanob. If the mechanic has all his teeth, he probably knows less about your new bike than you do. They aren't THAT complicated. Get a manual, stick with this forum - and you'll do OK. I would suggest you CHANGE the oil filter, air filter and plugs.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 06:37:38 PM »
Some people would actually save money doing so  ;)

LOL not around here, no how no way. The last vintage repair shop I took mine too (Name will remained unmentioned) it took them 4 weeks to tell me the carbs needed rebuilding and that would cost me $450. No thank you. I figured out how to do it myself and haven't looked back since. Even if it took me three tries to get the carbs just right it still only cost me $56 in Honda carb gasket kits and I can remove and install the carbs in my sleep. These bikes were practically made to be worked on compared to modern bikes. If the OP has even a little experience I think he can do it all himself and ride the bike with pride that he did it himself.
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2013, 08:31:09 AM »
If you won't be doing the work yourself (you should though) I would pick the older guy with the grimier shop.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2013, 10:38:58 AM »
There are some very capable head mechanics out there who discovered their passion for the old Hondas, decided to specialize in them, and opened their own shops. While they are often younger than the bikes they work on, they are not only capable, but they possess real expertise. Maintenance and repair is not all they do very well, but they often offer full restorations and performance improvements of any kind. Most of them have their own machine shop and dyno. It’s just a matter of finding these dealers. This forum would probably be a good place to inquire about competent and passionate shops. Most likely, their owners are members here. I like what they do in the German CB Four forum: they simply list them on their web site. Moreover, not every mechanic in the 70s was competent and bad shops were not entirely unheard of.  And as a final thought: You don't have to be 200 years old either to have expertise on the subject of the Civil War.

Furthermore, you probably won’t find experienced old-timers in Spain (Clasico is located in Madrid) because I simply have never seen a Japanese motorcycle in the 70s in Spain. Either, their import was not permitted, or they must have been taxed so heavily that no one bought one.  I recall having seen lots of BMWs and all sorts of Italian bikes along with a Spanish Sanglas occasionally. During my frequent travels, I have never seen a Honda motorcycle dealership in Spain in the 70s or even early 80s.


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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2013, 01:20:00 PM »
You re right Wobbly, Japanese motorbike imports were not allowed till late seventies and pretty high taxed afterwards.
So it is more difficult to get a four and experienced mechs over here. On the other hand it makes any four a very exclusive machine!
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2013, 02:11:50 PM »
Find a mechanic familiar with the Benelli Sei and you are part of the way there. In terms of the basic engine design the Sei is basically a Honda SOHC4 with a couple extra cyclinders.
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2013, 03:19:29 PM »
My local Honda dealer sends people to me who needs work on these bikes. 8)

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2013, 08:37:17 PM »
I'll bet you most of the 20 something tech nowadays don't even know what a carburetor is or at least how it works, haha
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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2013, 04:16:55 AM »
yeah I asked a hop around here and they told me they can't work on anything older than 93

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Re: First service after buying
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2013, 04:59:02 AM »
 I have the BEST mechanic in the world, well at least around my part of the world. He is a little older than me, I'm 54, and he has worked on various bikes over the years.  He loves working on my bike, he actually gets a little excited when ever I bring Pandora out to him, which is a 50 mile ride for me, but he is worth it!
    Some of you here know my trial by fire I went through when I first got Pandora, but every since he has laid hands on her  ;)I have not had one issue with her and no towing bills! I am slowly learning to work on my bike and plan on being able to do all or most of the maintenance as time allows, but since my time is limited and I do have a great mechanic, I choose to ride more than wrench. Don't hate on me

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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2013, 09:10:51 AM »
Find a mechanic familiar with the Benelli Sei and you are part of the way there. In terms of the basic engine design the Sei is basically a Honda SOHC4 with a couple extra cyclinders.

Absolutely true. In fact, some parts are identical.