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Offline Powderman

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Re: Harley jumping into the Honda Shadow market it seems
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2013, 01:56:13 PM »

I don't know if that's necessarily an unflattering name mate, I think it's kinda cute. If a "Proper" Harley is a "Hog", then a baby Harley should be called a "Piglet", yeah? Cheers, Terry. ;D



I reckon it would be OK if Harley is after the "chick bike" market. As you know, a lot of guys won't ride a Sportster because it has been saddled with the chick bike thing.

Instead they ride a poor handling heavy piece of crap that is way over priced, their loss. If you choose your bike by what others will think of you, you are riding for the wrong reasons.
Powderman, if there were more Harley riders with that attitude, Harley would probably be able to sell some decent bikes!

Recently the average new Harley purchaser makes between $80K-$100 a year and are professionals (lawyers, Dr's, etc). Their Harley is a fashion statement pulled out on weekends to have coffee and drinks with their peers.  The majority of new bike buyers are the younger generation, are hurting for jobs, and can't afford a big car payment, insurance, gas, etc. A bike is a no brainer in this case. If Harley didn't jump on this market segment it would be like shooting themselves in the balls.

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Re: Harley jumping into the Honda Shadow market it seems
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2013, 10:05:03 PM »
Yeah, I guess it depends on the market, if doctors and lawyers only earned $80K-$100K here they'd be very disappointed, that's about what I earn, and I left school at 15!

Over here a lot of 60(+) year old guys buy new Harleys, because their kids have finally moved out of home, they've paid for the kids university fees, they've paid for the kids weddings, they've paid off their mortgages, and they've been able to access their retirement funds. One insurance statistic here in Oz reflected the "Born again Biker" demographic, stating that the most dangerous age for motorcyclists is now "Over 50", and not "18-25" like it's been for as long as I can remember.

But we've got plenty of much younger Harley buyers too, most tradesmen here earn well over $100K, so we've got plenty of tradesmen, truck drivers, military guys, miners, Oil Rig workers and small business owners who ride Harley's too. With an "entry level" Harley that young guys (and girls) can access for not a lot of money is a great way for Harley to recruit them into the Harley Owners fold.

I heard an interesting catch phrase recently, when a motorcycle magazine journalist referred to this point in time as the "Post Performance Era". What he was saying is that while we have sportsbikes capable of speeds up to 200 MPH, our laws are such that we can no longer get away with riding them at their upper limits, and as they're largely horrible to ride at sane speeds, people are turning back to bikes like Harleys, bikes that can be enjoyed at legal speeds.

Harley's might be big and heavy and low on performance compared to a modern sportsbike, but they're way more enjoyable to ride in everyday situations, and great for long distance touring, so many riders are happy to sacrifice unusable performance bragging rights, for long distance comfort. I know I am. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Harley jumping into the Honda Shadow market it seems
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2013, 09:00:23 AM »
Honda brought the Shadow's out in 500 and 750cc sizes in 1983, and thirty years later are still making them.  This is a very successful product line and demonstrates that there is a sizable market for midsize water cooled  V-twins.   Local Honda shops around here list the various Shadows from $8,200 to $9,200 base price.   Harley has stated their base prices as $6,700 to $7,500.  The new HD's will eat into the Shadow sales and probably force Honda to make considerable pricing changes.  Even if Honda matches the price there is resale value to consider.  As we all know that HD retains resale value better than Honda, and is going to sell theirs for considerably less to begin with so this becomes a no-brainer from an economic standpoint.
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