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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2014, 11:02:38 PM »
How about a DT400?? Light, compared to a road bike, and can do 70mph, no worries.
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2014, 12:24:59 AM »
An old 78-79 GS550 would fit the bill... ;)
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2014, 09:24:43 AM »
The search is over!! Drove up to Louisville this past weekend and picked up these: Honda XL250's. One is a '74, the other a '76 (blue). $300 for the pair.


They were down in a guy's basement. He'd taken them on trade from some kid and planned to make a tracker but never got around to it. Said he had the blue one running last summer. I checked the compression: ~150 dry. It's probably better than that but I got tired of kicking and I'm not 100% sure the throttle was open all the way. Has spark. Got it home, put some gas in the bowl and...
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Took the carb off to give it a look. PO must have gone through it last year. Gasket looks new.


So, there is some wiring to sort out (currently magneto-only) and we're gonna need some bits in addition to tires brakes, chain, sprockets etc. The parts bike is basically useless to us - motor is locked up, frame is different. Might use one of its wheels and maybe one of the forks but that's it. Hope to get $75-100 for it to pad our $500 budget.
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2014, 02:12:41 PM »
Excellent! Been dying to play with one of those bastards lately- very envious!
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2014, 08:57:49 AM »
WTG!!! I had one back in the '70's and when you convert it for street use, they get between 65-75 MPG!
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2014, 10:37:45 AM »
Speaking of which... trying to figure out gearing. Stock is 14/48. Thinking about going down at least 3 on the back to bring highway revs down. Think that would be enough?
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2014, 05:51:33 PM »
I would add one in the front, see what that does, then if you're not happy take three off the back.
What this will do for you is leave you with enough chain so that if you want more top end you can take a few off the back and not need another chain and just remove chain links as needed.

Congrats on the purchase... I think it should serve you very well.

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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2014, 06:53:49 PM »
Too bad you didn't set the cc limit at 500 rather than 400, only paid $300 for my Virago, and it's quite happy running at 70 (+) all day and night. Probably a few CBs would qualify as well.


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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2014, 09:13:36 PM »
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2014, 08:44:27 AM »
Parts Parts Parts!!! It's gonna be like Christmas at my house over the next few days! So far I've ordered: air box/battery box, exhaust gasket, tail light, new petcock ($10 from Taiwan!), speedo from a 250 Elsinore, battery, front & rear sprockets (went to 15/45 from 14/48), sprocket cover, exhaust flanges, chain, shifter seal, grips ($2 from China!) & front/rear tires (Shinko 230's). Whew!

We went & checked out the competition last night. Team Doofs Wreck Machine found an '81 CM400E in Knoxville for $250 and it's in remarkably nice shape. Tank is SUPER clean on the inside, side covers are in great shape, headlight is really bright, seat's in great shape. They got it fired up last night for the first time. Here's a funny picture.


I think that makes all but one team with running bikes. Well done, Scrapper 24 participants!
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2014, 07:47:52 PM »
Jesus, can't get anything for that cheap up here in NYC


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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2014, 09:34:44 AM »
Been busy. Cleaned up the inside of the airbox. Picked up this whole assembly - including boots - for $15!




Cleaned up an old float bowl that was in the bottom of a bin of KZ400 parts I got a few years back. Fits XL250 & CB350 too, not sure what else. The one that came on the carb had an oversized screw shoved into the drain hole, which leaked. Replaced the whole thing since the threads were trashed.


Got a bunch of new parts, including 45T rear & 15T front sprockets. Stock is 14/48. Cleaned up the header.. ready for paint.



Knocked out the old wheel bearings last night. New ones should be here today. I'll install those this weekend along with new fork seals. Check out that OEM ('76) grease!


Need to mount this tail light. Fender is off the '74 parts bike.. had to drill some new mounting holes but I think it'll work fine.


And here's how it sits now. Progress is dirty.



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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2014, 09:36:42 AM »
Looks like a super fun project to me!
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2014, 10:17:29 AM »
I should note that there was some smoke when I fired it up the last time. I can see by looking into the exhaust port that the valve seals on that side are leaking a bit. Hopefully when I get it running well and warmed-up that will go away. Time will tell.
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2014, 03:17:19 PM »
Good choice mate, those old XL's can take a licking, and keep on ticking! ;D
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2014, 10:27:56 AM »
Any progress on this bad boy?


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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2014, 02:16:39 PM »
Indeed! Wheel bearings changed, fork seals replaced, tail light mounted (still working out wiring for the running light). Tires are being swapped out for Shinko 230's. Valves adjusted (they were WAY loose), points gap set (was tight, still need to check timing). Painted the exhaust. Cleaning out the tank with vinegar.. on my 2nd filtering with that and still probably have another three to go. Some other little stuff too. Doing brakes this week and hoping to have it rideable by this weekend.
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2014, 02:26:44 PM »

Indeed! Wheel bearings changed, fork seals replaced, tail light mounted (still working out wiring for the running light). Tires are being swapped out for Shinko 230's. Valves adjusted (they were WAY loose), points gap set (was tight, still need to check timing). Painted the exhaust. Cleaning out the tank with vinegar.. on my 2nd filtering with that and still probably have another three to go. Some other little stuff too. Doing brakes this week and hoping to have it rideable by this weekend.

Fantastic. What was the verdict on those smoky valve seals?


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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2014, 08:40:26 AM »
Haven't been able to roll it outside to find out! But the tires are done, and I got the brakes done last night.




Timing set too. Hoping to slap it all back together in the next couple of days and we'll find out what's up with the smoking issue.

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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2014, 09:32:50 AM »
Update:
Lots has been happening in the Ram Jam garage. I've been soaking the tank in vinegar. Here it is before treatment.. doesn't look that bad but lots of rust flake has been coming out of it with each filtering.


Filtering every three days or so:




New tires! Shinko 230's. Here's one of the moldy oldies


And with the new ones



Got the tail/brake light working, mostly by myself but with some help from the always generous Spanner1, who is actually one of the judges for this here contest


Painted and mounted the muffler



I also set the valves & timing. One of the springs on the advance unit was shot so I replaced that it with one off the parts bike. It now actually springs. OK, follow me here.. the points cam can go into the advance unit two ways (180 opposite). With it in one position, you can twist the points cam and the weights extend as they should. Take the cam out & spin it 180 degrees & put it back in and - with one of the weights on top, you can turn the cam and it extends the weight. Spin it so that the other weight is on top, and it kinda jams. We thought that this might be keeping the timing from advancing but Spanner1 thought it would be okay once it started spinning.

Double-checked the points gap and the static timing while putting it all back together.. turns out that the meter I was using is a piece of s*^% and was giving me a false reading, so that my timing was way advanced at the plate. Fixed that, installed muffler, rolled it (not far enough) outside & fired it up with a timing light - bike advances as it should when you rev the motor. Note that it revs ok just sitting there. Also note that it smoked like crazy but I think that went away. We are just filling up the bowl with an aux fuel bottle (removing it before running so there's no vacuum problem) and running it until it runs out of gas. Once on the street it definitely ran better with the timing set properly, didn't smoke at just dogs it under load. Let off the throttle and when it settles down it seems to idle okay and then start to rev but it's got nothing when you let the clutch out. Not sure what's going on there. New plug & plug cap.

So could this be carb related? Stock intake (with wire mesh filter, not foam over it), stock exhaust, valves & timing set, advance unit working, 150+ psi... The carb had been cleaned by the PO, though the slow jet was clogged and I cleaned it out. Also shot carb cleaner through main jet and other passages, followed by compressed air but I didn't take anything else apart other than remove & clean the slow jet. We didn't want to have to buy a carb kit if we didn't have to - though we have space in the budget for that now.
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2014, 10:09:52 AM »
Did the plug get fouled ?
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2014, 10:27:55 AM »
Maybe. I haven't looked at it yet - this was all at about 11p last night.
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2014, 04:03:12 PM »
clean the carb, PO may have cleaned it= 4 years ago, and you may not even need a carb kit.  if the rubber still seals the way it is supposed to, then you should be fine.  it may be very slightly leaky after reassemby but after running for a bit it may seal back up nicely.

if you're only running off a bottle until you take it out on the road and depend only on what is in the bowl, then your float height and optimum fuel height will drop very quickly.  we set the float height for a reason, but it all goes out the window when we're no longer regulating that optimum fuel height.

when i was fixing up the ex500 for my wife, the jetting was lean, and really bogged down upon having any load on the motor... it idled and revved out perfectly just sitting in neutral.  I went up quite a bit on the main jets, I still ponder why when we bought it in Chicago and brought it back to Colorado it would be running lean, oh well, the PO was a crazy story anyway.
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2014, 10:03:21 AM »
Got a lot done this past week (~25 hrs worth of work).

Front fender had this big split down the middle, so instead of cutting it off I decided to drill some holes & lace it up. This is before I painted it (and the back fender) black.


Had this nice bird's nest under the old front sprocket. Replaced the stock 14T one with 15T; stock 48T rear with 45T.


Finished cleaning the tank. I filtered it out 11 times on Saturday and finally got it to where there were no more flakes coming out. Didn't have time to wait for the vinegar anymore so I broke down and bought a gallon of Evaporust ($22).. combined that with what I had on-hand and some water and it cleaned the rest up nicely. Finished with a phosphoric rinse, which I'm still not convinced of - and even though there was a little flash rust it came out fine. I didn't have time to take any pics. I had bought a $10 Chinese replacement petcock which turned out to be the wrong size.. ended up using the gaskets out of it and using the old petcock after some cleaning.

Leaking oil out of the clutch adjustment hole and the cap that goes over it is NLA, so I made one out of a rubber stopper. Works great so far!




When I first looked inside the carb it was clean, but missing the leaf spring that holds the main jet in. I had tried using a spring from a Kawasaki KZ400 but I think it was interfering with the floats' movement, and possibly partly-responsible for the poor running I've been experiencing. I contacted member @harisuluv who rebuilds carbs, and he sent me a spring from a CB350. The CB350, KZ400 & XL250 all share the same float bowls. I got the spring in the mail on Friday, put it on the bike on Saturday. The Honda leaf spring has 2 prongs, Kawasaki has 1. I had the Kawi one on the carb and it didn't quite seem right. Other one fits much better.





After replacing the spring & finishing cleaning out the gas tank, I was able to actually ride it for the first time yesterday. Got it up to 40mph with that crappy seat!


Real seat should be done this week. Also we put the front tire on backwards so we've gotta fix that, and a few other smallish things. More to come....
« Last Edit: March 31, 2014, 02:14:54 PM by Tugboat »
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Re: The $500 Challenge
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2014, 01:43:01 PM »
You're 'Riding the Rails' huh ?  ;D on a piece of plywood;good thing you weren't trail riding ! I know it's got to run better w/ the correct spring for the main jet putting enough pressure to seal it nice.Does it burn clean when you do a plug check ?
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