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Offline ironbutter

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exhaust question....
« on: December 04, 2013, 08:15:30 PM »
Im running a set of Leo Vince / SITO 4 into 2 exhaust. I like the look plenty but I want to get more rumble out of the bike like my last aftermarket set had. There is a part that is riveted  on the end of the pipe that looks like it contains a baffle system. Anyone ever have any experience with uncorking a set of mufflers like these? Im hesitating drilling out the rivets and exploring the innards as the mufflers were hard to find and not cheap either..... Thoughts?

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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 09:27:52 PM »
Im running a set of Leo Vince / SITO 4 into 2 exhaust. I like the look plenty but I want to get more rumble out of the bike like my last aftermarket set had. There is a part that is riveted  on the end of the pipe that looks like it contains a baffle system. Anyone ever have any experience with uncorking a set of mufflers like these? Im hesitating drilling out the rivets and exploring the innards as the mufflers were hard to find and not cheap either..... Thoughts?



What is the Leo Vince model of muffler? They look terrific, can't find them on line tonight.

Some theory for your thoughts:
Most quiet mufflers are a reverse-flow type, which means the chambers inside have a pipe of some sort that extends through a baffle wall, then deep into the 'back' of a chamber, and the exit from that chamber is also very long and usually at the 'front' end of that chamber. This prevents the sound shock wave from finding its way directly from one chamber to the next. It also evens out the exhaust pulses, making for much more even backpressure, and far less tuning headaches, than when these passages are very short. Shorter pipes between the chambers increases the sound level (by letting the shock waves pass through) as it reduces back pressure in certain RPM ranges, but it also tends to make those high- and low-pressure RPM ranges uneven as the pipe lets more pressure waves pass through.

So, if you remove the baffle and find the long pipes reaching from chamber into chamber and wish for more noise with similar backpressures to remain, one method is to drill cross-holes (large ones) into these pipes to make them into diffusers. Then some of the broken-up pressure waves will migrate from hole-to-hole in the pipes, while the pressure itself remains in the chamber to a large extent - this helps improve the tuning by preserving much of the backpressure. If you just cut off these pipes, the pressures fall dramatically and erratically, and tuning problems gather quickly.

Quiet pipes also generally have strong outer walls, or even double thin walls (like old Beemer mufflers) if weight is an issue. These last MUCH longer, as they don't flex with each pressure wave, wearing themselves.
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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 09:53:46 PM »
wow, thanks for the reply... good info. Heres' a link...

http://www.leovince.com/en/catalog-honda/sito_honda_cb_750_four_k1_k6/240

they sell them mostly in europe, but there is a set on ebay from time to time from a guy in oregon for around $300

http://www.ebay.com/itm/300987135389?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Here's another couple of shots, they use the original headers which were already cut for the last set of low rider slip-ons I had, they have a nice upswept look, and they sound OK, Im just missing the rumble.






Maybe Ill drill out the rivets and see what I can see, worst case Ill replace the rivets and button them back up.



« Last Edit: December 05, 2013, 08:58:02 AM by ironbutter »
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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 09:49:01 AM »
Hmm, I wonder how well those could be adapted to a CB550?
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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 10:34:32 AM »
Very stylish looking 4 into 2 exhaust for the CB750. :)

Would you happen to have a sound clip that you post up?

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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 11:27:01 AM »
Sounds like this... here is a link to a quick video I just took...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEW20Xk-w2c
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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 11:41:27 AM »
Sounds like this... here is a link to a quick video I just took...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEW20Xk-w2c

Those sound great! I think I've found the answer for the pipes for these 3 bikes I'm building.
Thanks a bunch! :)
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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 11:45:48 AM »
They fit very well with a little chopping on the header pipes. I mounted the mufflers and the slid each head pipe on and marked them with a sharpie, chopped em and hit with my grinding wheel, fit right up no issues. Price is pretty good and the chrome quality is very good.
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Re: exhaust question....
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2013, 11:55:41 AM »
Very stylish looking 4 into 2 exhaust for the CB750. :)

Would you happen to have a sound clip that you could post up?

Sounds like this... here is a link to a quick video I just took...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEW20Xk-w2c


Thank you. Those sound good and I just happen to have an extra set of stock header pipes without any mufflers. Maybe Santa Claus will bring me a set of those Leo Vince / SITO mufflers?