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Piston de-carbonizing
« on: December 27, 2013, 09:23:54 AM »
I found out what a low CR will do to the chambers, and pistons. Caked on carbon. I have been soaking one piston for about 3 days in a combo of PB Blaster, Throttle Body Cleaner, and Carb Cleaner. Not much change at all. Wondering about Pressure Washing. Anyone tried it?

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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2013, 10:10:10 AM »
I'm assuming he pistons are out of the engine. Try soda blasting. This is how I clean heads up.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2013, 10:20:50 AM »
Yes, good suggestion, they are out of engine. I don't have a soda blaster. How much do I have to spend on that? Where to get...
The worst part is just above the top ring. I'd hate for that to come flying off after assembly.

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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2013, 10:33:49 AM »
Any local machine shop should be able to blast them pretty cheap. That would be faster, cheaper, and easier than buying your own set-up.
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2013, 10:35:11 AM »
I generally scrape off carbon. It doesn't have to mean a mutilated piston as long as you go careful. I use a broken hacksaw blade, sharpened one end, and held nice and flat. Use a broken piston ring to clean out the ring grooves. GUNK does a pretty good job of softening carbon, after you have the worst removed some GUNK and a scotchbrite pad will have those pistons looking minty.
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2013, 10:44:43 AM »
Well I scratched and polished off the cylinder carbon before I hone, but as far as the sealing surface on the piston I'd be a bit hesitant to experiment there. The top crown yes, but on the outside?? probably not.

I'll have to check around regarding the soda blast.

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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2013, 10:47:17 AM »
Use what you want but just DO NOT use a wire brush or the piston will be ruined.
OLDSKOOLNUTS has the easiest method. Just use a pocket knife or scraper and some elbow grease simple.

Do not scrape the sides of the piston at all.
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2013, 12:06:32 PM »
Is there a lot of carbon on the sides of the pistons? Can we get a photo or two?

Try oven cleaner, that's what it is intended to remove, hard baked on carbon from food.
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2013, 12:31:15 PM »
I used scotchbright and elbow grease.
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2013, 02:07:12 PM »
Is there a lot of carbon on the sides of the pistons? Can we get a photo or two?

Try oven cleaner, that's what it is intended to remove, hard baked on carbon from food.

+1, I'm cleaning up the pistons on my F2 at the moment. I'll soak a piston in carb cleaner overnight then hit it with oven cleaner and scotch brite. They're cleaning up nice.
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2013, 02:36:47 PM »
Like the oven cleaner idea but does anybody know what the main active ingredient is in that stuff ? Be a little careful putting any type of aluminum alloy in contact with certain chemicals for too long. Just a warning for the newbies.  Bet there is a recipe for a Honda 750 piston bomb out there with a little toilet bowl cleaner    :D

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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2013, 04:02:15 PM »
Like the oven cleaner idea but does anybody know what the main active ingredient is in that stuff ? Be a little careful putting any type of aluminum alloy in contact with certain chemicals for too long. Just a warning for the newbies.  Bet there is a recipe for a Honda 750 piston bomb out there with a little toilet bowl cleaner    :D

Good point, my can of "easy off" warns about it containing sodium hydroxide. Quite a few syllables for just 2 words so I looked it up and it turns out that when it comes in contact with aluminum the reaction produces hydrogen gas  :o
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 04:22:07 PM »
Hi gang.I have been cleaning pistons with a brass wire wheel on my bench grinder for 40 years.I wish someone had told me I was ruining them.I am hesitant to inform those whom I performed the work for as they have been happy and I do not want to open a can of worms!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2013, 05:49:10 PM »
If you have a small ultrasonic cleaner it removes all carbon and the piston looks new


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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 07:20:19 PM »
Wow, that looks really nice!

I ended up scraping the top, then 800 grit, then the polishing wheel. Same treatment for the sides above the top ring...  except I was extremely careful. There seems to be carbon on the top ring lands of the piston. Got as much as I could with an old broken ring. With high overlap cam I had, I was only getting 100 psi with stock pistons on compression test. Ken at CycleX was spot on with his guess. Low CR made unburned hydrocarbons... a ton of it!

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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 09:04:12 PM »
I soak them in gasoline for a week. Then the carbon scrapes off easily. Since gas made it, I guess it also removes it?
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2013, 09:52:19 PM »
ive always wire wheeled the piston crowns,dont go over the edges,dont burn into the alloy,piece of cake,clear those oil feed holes in the oil control ring groove with a drill bit spun between your finger and thumb,1mm is common,youll get a load of crud out of them.

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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2013, 03:26:52 AM »
I can't speak for decarbonising pistons this way, but in general a blowtorch can burn carbon away fairly quickly by actually burning the soot and leaving a clean surface behind. I.e. If you need to clean out things like exhaust meshes or other surfaces where soot has been baked on, this works great, provided the material can handle the heat.

It might be an idea to try out (say on an old piston), a focused flame on the top only, with some gentle wirebrush action. I think this would work out alright provided one doesn't go nuts and warp things. Never tried it but i think it would work.

I've generally wirebrushed the tops with a combo of razor and wet'n'dry by hand. +1 with not going over the edges.

I usually try and get them as clean as i can where they are acceptable for reassembly, not necessarily spotless like a new piston. They are only going to get carbon on them again in a few thousand miles.

Running too cold/rich/cold plugs in the combustion chamber generally causes excess levels of it.

As an aside, a friend of the family years ago used to pour diesel straight down the carb of my fathers ford V8 to de-coke it while it was running. The exhaust came out white until he stopped pouring, fumes everywhere. The car ran great afterwoods, must have cleaned up everything, valves, the whole lot.

This goes along Hondamans idea with using gas/petrol. So perhaps a piston soak in diesel would be good as well. I know its a great degreaser in general.
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2013, 03:36:34 AM »
dont put a flame to your piston,a bench mounted wire wheel strips any carbon off,sure scrape off the heavy stuff if its oily and thick first.

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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2013, 10:39:15 AM »
Hi gang.I have been cleaning pistons with a brass wire wheel on my bench grinder for 40 years.I wish someone had told me I was ruining them.I am hesitant to inform those whom I performed the work for as they have been happy and I do not want to open a can of worms!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't do much actual rebuilding anymore but I've done scores of engines in the younger days and I too used a wire wheel in the bench grinder - a steel wire wheel. Never had a problem.
Oven cleaner is a good idea though. I use it to clean my carbide saw blades and the glass doors on my fireplace insert.
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Re: Piston de-carbonizing
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2013, 06:52:37 PM »
Just finished up the chambers, and valves. The hacksaw blade with the rounded end still on worked spectacularly. Was able to get around the valves/seats, and all the hard to get to spots. Finished up with some emery cloth. Looks great.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2013, 08:08:29 PM »
Most of this rebuild stuff is cleaning, and measuring, over, and over, and over.

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