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Offline linktothepast23

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78 cb750k
« on: December 23, 2013, 02:02:28 PM »
Just did a sync in my carbs (not as bad as I thought  :P) I still have a slight hesitation when in first gear going from a stop. I think it might be a rich condition. Could someone tell me what are some common causes for this? I checked my plugs and they are indeed a little black. Think they had gas or oil on them too.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2013, 02:57:34 PM »
causes of richness at idle:
air screws out too far(on PD carbs, OUT is Richer)
air filter over-oiled (if you have the oiled kind) or one that is old and filled with particulates.
restrictive exhaust system(too much back pressure)


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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2013, 05:34:11 PM »
Thanks for the reply! I'm thinking its my air screws, gonna have to fiddle with them for awhile. How would I check if the exhaust is being restrictive?

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2013, 08:31:02 PM »
Tell me what type of exhaust configuration you have.
Air screws (actually - the fuel screws as they control fuel into the circuit )setting is initially dependent on intake and exhaust configuration. 
We need to know both to accurately suggest an initial setting.
The fine tuning comes later...
« Last Edit: December 24, 2013, 11:24:45 AM by flybox1 »
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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2013, 11:04:43 AM »
Its a 4 into 1 exhaust, I know for sure that it is aftermarket. I don't know what the brand is, all I know it is loud and it has a baffle.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2013, 11:20:19 AM »
and the air intake?  pods?  airbox? (if so, what is the state of your filter?)

what is the current setting for your fuel screws?
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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2013, 05:51:07 PM »
I've got the stock air box with a new filter in. My screws were done by a friend and I believe they are 1.5 turns out. He said he tuned them so the idle would be the way it is now, which is near perfect. Just a slight hesitation when getting it to go.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2013, 07:00:10 PM »
here are some pics of it, merry Christmas!!

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2013, 10:38:52 AM »
Anybody else have suggestions?

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2013, 03:51:37 PM »
I had a stumble off idle and went richer. All gone now.

The 1 1/2 is a base figure. Mine are out 2 to 2 1/4. Runs great but running stock af and exhaust.

Just a thought.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2013, 05:58:29 PM »
The problem is I think I'm running rich so I suppose I should turn the fuel screw in to make them leaner?

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2013, 06:14:09 PM »
The fact that it idles well doesn't mean much...your mixture can still be off, and it can idle well... as you've discovered.
Yes, you can turn your fuel screws out to lean it.  Check your friends work.... 
The idle circuit really needs to be balanced last. 
Main jet, needle height, pilot jet, fuel screw
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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 11:00:08 AM »
Before any advice could be given I would need to know if you have the stock intake system and filter and if the exhaust is stock.

Also every tune up item must be correct before you can talk about carbs.

The carbs if stock have that accelerator pump system and that must all be working correctly.

If you do not have the stock air box and stock air filter, it will never run right with stock jets and stock needle position.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2013, 11:02:42 AM »
I had a stumble off idle and went richer. All gone now.

The 1 1/2 is a base figure. Mine are out 2 to 2 1/4. Runs great but running stock af and exhaust.

Just a thought.

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TOYSTUFF is right all that is needed with a stock intake and this aftermarket exhaust is a mixture adjustment.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 11:14:54 AM »
The exhaust is not stock but the filter and air box are. To adjust the screws should she be running? Or should I adjust then turn on? All other tune ups have been done.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2013, 03:14:32 PM »
So should I start the adjustment at 1.5 turns out on all of them and then dial in on the correct mixture. Or should I set it differently since I have a 4 into 1

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2013, 03:44:57 PM »
First off, make sure they are all at the same setting. No offence to your friend, but the only way you can be sure they are right is if you do it yourself. Are you happy that each IMS screw has it's washer and o ring? Worth checking if you're not sure.

Turn each screw in until it is just seated. Then turn each one out 1 1/2 turns if that is the stock setting. You need to be as accurate as you can, an 1/8th of a turn can make a difference on these. If you're looking to make it richer, turning them out will do that. Try to keep them all the same, turn them out in 1/8th or 1/4 increments until you find the best setting.

As Flybox said, the idle is really the last step for tuning your carbs, but there's no harm in trying. I make adjustments with the engine off. Good luck!
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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2013, 06:08:25 PM »
I 100% agree with you on doing it myself. I was kind of new to it and honestly intimidated by doing any adjustment work but I'm learning alot really fast. I will do that adjustment tomorrow. I'm pretty sure the ims has its o ring and washer but to make sure do I need to pull the carbs out? One last thought I think the setting is to rich because of my plugs being the color they are (which is black) so I should be twisting in correct? Btw my idle is fine it is just when I come to a stop sign upon warming her up, the engine bogs and wants to die.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2013, 12:43:44 AM »
You would expect the plugs to be darker in colour from idle than say, doing a plug chop from WOT. I wonder if you are worrying unnecessarily? A picture of the plugs would help.

Try adjusting idle with the adjustment screw on top of the carbs - right hand side under the tank. Do this when at normal operating temp, and it may lift your idle above where it would normally stall at the stop sign. All adjustments need to be checked at normal operating temp by the way.

You can remove the IMS screws with the carbs on the bike, however those washers and o rings are small and can get lost easilly. I usually place a light-coloured towel under the carbs if I do this, to catch any errant parts. Sometimes, the washer or o ring or both can get stuck in the body when the screw is removed, so you need to watch for this too. If I were you, I'd try out the adjustments first if this is new to you.

Others will hopefully chime in here, but I think it is unusual for these PD carbs to be rich at idle at the stock setting. Is your air filter original Honda? I know some have had problems with tuning depending on the filter used. Do you know if the slow jets are stock? And remember it's an old motorbike - sometimes you have to make compromises for their quirkiness and you shouldn't expect performance like a brand new widow-maker. Also, with reference to your other thread, you need to rectify your exhaust leak before doing any tune-ups.
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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2013, 08:29:27 AM »
I use the stop screw sparingly, I used to have a vac leak that I would always have to fumble around with that thing to get it to idle at exactly 1100 but now that its fixed it goes right to it when the engines warm. Maybe I'm just being a little paranoid. the symptoms go away with about 15 minutes of driving. it's just the first few stops that she wants to bog down.

I'll wait till the next time I clean carbs to check for parts. all the jets are stock and I bought the air filter from ebay heres the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Air-Filter-Element-69-78-Honda-CB750-K-CB750-F-CB750-A-Air-Cleaner-C23-/360824142742?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5402cb7b96&vxp=mtr. I'm still waiting on crush washers for my exhaust, the ticking went away but that is no excuse!

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2013, 08:32:39 AM »
let me rephrase what I said earlier, when coming up to a stop sign she idles fine. It is only when I start accelerating that she wants to act funny, but once she is over say 3 rpm she starts picking right back up and everything is fine. It only does this after the first couple stops.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2013, 08:48:42 AM »
Have you verified your float levels, and checked your pilot jets and emulsion tubes for blockages?
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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2013, 10:27:59 AM »
float levels at 14.5, haven't check emulsion tubes yet but will do. That's the hose that goes from the engine block down to the bottom of the engine correct? pilot jet good and clean, did them twice. I was reading a post about the same symptoms and they were talking about the fuel petcock not working right and this could be a factor. haven't checked because of the rain but I will get around to checking everything soon! 

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2013, 11:13:13 AM »
never mind that's the crank case breather hose, Just looked it up to make sure. I'm 100% sure everything in the carbs are clean enough to eat off of.

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Re: 78 cb750k
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2013, 12:16:33 PM »
never mind that's the crank case breather hose, Just looked it up to make sure. I'm 100% sure everything in the carbs are clean enough to eat off of.

You looked up emulsion tubes and got crankcase breather hose? Don't know what manual you're looking at, but I'd chuck it away if I were you!

Just kidding ;)

If your carbs are squeaky clean then the emulsion tubes (should) have been attended to.
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