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Re: '73 CB500 *** First bits back from Powder Coat***
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2014, 06:50:19 pm »
Thanks, I appreciate that. I used the ceramic coating on my last build too, also for the hubs. But the frame I did in gloss black. I think the bronze with a satin black engine will turn out to be a very cool effect. Especially with the ARP bolts and nuts.
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Re: '73 CB500 *** First bits back from Powder Coat***
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2014, 06:54:39 pm »
Freaking sweet looking. Can you elaborate more info on the electronic brain you got for the bike and where to obtain?

Im waiting on parts from powder coating right now. They said Monday.
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2014, 07:05:21 pm »
Thanks! It's a MotoGadget M-Unit. That little brain accepts direct wire to it. Its programmable and its pre-labeled (hope the picture is clear enough). I will also use their M-Button in the handlebars. This little "button" is also pre-labeled, color-coded and collects all bar control wires then with a single wire to the M-Unit (think single-wire harness down the back bone) connects to the M-Unit. It also converts the signal to digital from the Button.

No more fuses, relays or switches for these controls. the M-Unit even has a built starter solenoid, a programmable brake flasher, and timer-based signal cut-offs.

I bought the unit through Revival Cycles, TX. Cost me under $400. Maybe a little bit pricey, and not required, but as I said, my favorite tool for working on electricity/electronics is a check book. But I think I can handle wiring this bike with these "Gadgets" finally. And get it right!

The unit came with some really great wiring diagrams for running and connecting all the wires, too. Pretty stoked about it.
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Re: '73 CB500 *** First bits back from Powder Coat***
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2014, 07:22:28 pm »
woah. I will be watching carefully, been eyeing those m-units. I don't understand how they are wired though....see I actually understand the electronics and wiring diagrams, but I just don't get how it all gets condensed down. where do all of the handlebar control wires go? are you running new controls/switches? so many questions

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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2014, 08:48:28 pm »
Exactly, what Chef said. This is going to require lots of photos.

Also, what's the warranty on it? I just dropped $500 on my VW "comfort control relay" and wire harness so I am a little distrustful of these electronic brains at the moment. I'd hate to drop $400 on one of these and have to replace it at any point in the near future.

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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2014, 08:50:20 pm »
Chef - thanks. Always suspected you were a better man than me, and now you've proved it.

Yes, I'll be using a single aftermarket switch (did so on my 550) where all controls are on the left. I've attached their manual as a PDF to answer your questions.

The control wires go into the handle bar, wire to the Button, then it in turn sends a single wire (the green wire) is the digital conversion to the M-Unit. It plugs into the "Config" port on the M-Unit. I like elegant and simple designed stuff and this fits the bill pretty well.

http://motogadget.com/media/downloads/manual/munit_v2_manual_en_3.2_k.pdf

In the switch I'll run, there is a 3 position thumb button. Down is "OFF". Position 2 will be "Headlight and Tailight" for daytime running. Position 3 will be "All". This will have the headlight, tail light, license plates, indicators, and the gauge faces illuminated for best night time driving. Raises my visibility as makes me more easily seen.

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Re: '73 CB500 *** First bits back from Powder Coat***
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2014, 08:55:25 pm »
Looking good.  I really like ARP bolts.

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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2014, 08:57:50 pm »
I'm so tempted to buy one of those M unitsjust to play with it. However, I've exceeded my purchase thresholds:

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I've found using those two guidelines has saved me a lot of money.  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2014, 08:58:10 pm »
Wow - I never looked nor asked. The device when arrived today included the manual (attached in my prior post) which indicates shipment back to Germany for service. Says a €20 for repairs not related to Warranty (ie User damage or mis configuration).

MotoGadget has a pretty strong reputation so I based my decisions more on that than concern about Warranty. It's fully waterproof and vibration proof, so it's fairly solid state. Should last pretty well. Also has built-in protection for Over voltage, LED lights for diagnostics, etc, etc. Check out Revival Cycles website or MotoGadget directly. Theirs in is German but has a language switch in the upper right.
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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2014, 09:02:04 pm »
Looking good.  I really like ARP bolts.

Me too. I was pretty grinned when you put a few of them on your build. I just bought a few to insure sizing and style for all areas of the motor. What's really pleasing is the threads on the bolts are so clean and smooth. You can spin nuts by a finger and they almost turn all the way on.

I'll order a complete set of SS Allen heads, then organize a single, complete motor purchase to simplify purchasing and organization. Scary bit is they will likely run about $300 I'm estimating.
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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2014, 11:49:21 pm »
I purchased some Motogadget gear for my next build (M-Unit, M-Button, Chronoclassic Black gauge).  I'll be running modern Honda CBR600RR switchgear and ignition into the M-Button with the one digital signal going to the M-Unit.
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« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2014, 04:58:33 am »
I haven't decided which gauge I'll run, but it will be small and electronic. I love their Tiny gauge, but it has no integrated Tach, and I'd prefer a single gauge.

I've also planned their M-Key for keyless ignition. I just haven't ordered it yet. I'll be interested in your experience with their products on your build.
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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2014, 08:07:24 pm »
Nice progress Cal! Keep it up.
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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2014, 08:31:25 pm »
I haven't decided which gauge I'll run, but it will be small and electronic. I love their Tiny gauge, but it has no integrated Tach, and I'd prefer a single gauge.

I've also planned their M-Key for keyless ignition. I just haven't ordered it yet. I'll be interested in your experience with their products on your build.

For my new K2 project (Bionic Mongrel) I went for the Black edition Chronoclassic, as I was going for a Smiths gauge look.  It has an analog tach and digital speedo.  I was going to include the M-Key along with the M-Unit and M-Button, but it seemed like overkill, since I am already using the CBR600RR key ignition switch.  I might install it anyway for security purposes.
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Re: '73 CB500 *** First bits back from Powder Coat***
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2014, 09:13:43 pm »
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Re: '73 CB500 *** First bits back from Powder Coat***
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2014, 07:47:13 am »
Wow that M-Unit sure is slick...
I wish I would have known about it before I spent 15 hours or so essentially re-wiring my bike.
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Re: '73 CB500 ***Bolts for Hardware Nuts***
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2014, 02:26:23 pm »
So, Mr Postman brought me a huge treat today...


This is what $450 of bolts and nuts looks like



And here's an installed pic:



Bike porn to me! Satin black powder coat on the entire engine cases (jugs and head have thermal dissipative coat) so the SS 12pts should be sexy.

This shipment contains every nut and bolt for the entire exterior of the cases, side covers, frame, mounting, etc. I'm sure I'll need some other misc bolts and nuts for steering and suspension, but I'll get those as I close in on final fabrication.
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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2014, 03:26:09 pm »
So I have the entire engine and side covers powder coated. The head is in the queue awaiting the valve train magic from the renowned, Mr Rieck. Wiseco pistons should be here shortly and they'll go off for a ceramic coat on the domes.

Godferrey's has shipped my intakes to M.Rieck for port matching, and the balance of the cR-26 kit is heading my way soon too.

Buchanan's shipped my new wheels; 17x3.5 Sun up front and 17x4.25 for the rear. Running Devin's hub for the GSXR front end swap. Powder coater called and I can pick up my exhaust from internal ceramic coating (MotoGP from Chris) that will remain stainless outside.

It's coming together, slowly. Getting all the heavy lifting machining done before I commence the custom triple, swing arm and subframe modifications. Still have to decide on a lighting package and got my eye (once again) on a MotoGadget gauge for the top clamp.

Also, have a tank and seat to fabricate with a cool twist on a Rizoma fuel cap. Have to machine the receiver side of that before I can get it mocked up on the tank. No shortage of things to do- But I hope the list moves quickly as the shelves of acquired parts awaiting a home is growing!

And the weather beckons to ride the 550!
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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2014, 03:52:32 pm »
Looks great so far. On a sidenote would like to say thanks for all the help you give other members on here.

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Re: '73 CB500 *** First bits back from Powder Coat***
« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2014, 04:27:14 pm »
The bits and pieces pics are a little dis-jointed, but honestly, I'm a kid at Christmas every time the UPS/FedEx/USPS delivers. I've got parts and components for 3 builds landing it seems every day, and sometimes I can't contain myself.

A big difference in this build vs my 550 is the pre-planning of all the little details and coordination due to the complete engine rebuild and carb changes. I'm trying to think through every single detail upfront, and acquire every part and piece so final assembly flies together.

Definitely not cutting the frame at all until I'm fully ready with the new swing arm, seat and tank mold. Been that road before and made some sizing mistakes. This bike will definitively be a fully re-worked CB. Inspiration is the Bimota approach; take a good healthy factory power plant and restyle, re-frame and upgrade suspension. It's a perfect goal for an absolute basket case '500 that truly was better suited for the junkyard than the bike lift.

As for the very kind comment: there's a huge number of really cool people on this forum that are knowledgable, talented, and very generous. It just makes it easy to try to help out where/when I can.
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Re: '73 CB500 ***Bolts for Hardware Nuts***
« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2014, 05:03:39 pm »
So, Mr Postman brought me a huge treat today...


This is what $450 of bolts and nuts looks like



And here's an installed pic:



Bike porn to me! Satin black powder coat on the entire engine cases (jugs and head have thermal dissipative coat) so the SS 12pts should be sexy.

This shipment contains every nut and bolt for the entire exterior of the cases, side covers, frame, mounting, etc. I'm sure I'll need some other misc bolts and nuts for steering and suspension, but I'll get those as I close in on final fabrication.

Those bolts are bike porn!
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Re: '73 CB500 *** Bolts for Hardware Nuts***
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2014, 05:08:06 pm »
So I have the entire engine and side covers powder coated. The head is in the queue awaiting the valve train magic from the renowned, Mr Rieck. Wiseco pistons should be here shortly and they'll go off for a ceramic coat on the domes.

Godferrey's has shipped my intakes to M.Rieck for port matching, and the balance of the cR-26 kit is heading my way soon too.

Buchanan's shipped my new wheels; 17x3.5 Sun up front and 17x4.25 for the rear. Running Devin's hub for the GSXR front end swap. Powder coater called and I can pick up my exhaust from internal ceramic coating (MotoGP from Chris) that will remain stainless outside.

It's coming together, slowly. Getting all the heavy lifting machining done before I commence the custom triple, swing arm and subframe modifications. Still have to decide on a lighting package and got my eye (once again) on a MotoGadget gauge for the top clamp.

Also, have a tank and seat to fabricate with a cool twist on a Rizoma fuel cap. Have to machine the receiver side of that before I can get it mocked up on the tank. No shortage of things to do- But I hope the list moves quickly as the shelves of acquired parts awaiting a home is growing!

And the weather beckons to ride the 550!

I can't wait to hear and see how the motor turns out. Sounds like it will have some major grunt. There is NO replacement for displacement AND a Mike Reick head!
Is this bike destined for your son? If so, I hope he helped while on Spring Break!

Looking forward to the trick bits - swingarm, triple, disc rear brake, etc.!!!!! ;)
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2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html)

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1977 CB750K7 "Nine Lives" Restomod (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=50490.0) - Sold
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« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2014, 05:34:12 pm »
No, not really any help on Spring Break, but he's, it's destined for him. He's supposed to be molding my fenders as I write this. I'm withholding final tuition payments as ransom!

I'm hoping by end of next week to be up and fully running in the shop. Just moved everything last weekend, getting machines calibrated, leveled and tooling organized has consumed most of this week. Spent the day milling a new bracket for my MotoGadget gauge for my 550. Ditching the 2 small mechanical gauges...

The big hold up on the swing arm and disc conversion is still waiting on my hub back from Buchanans. I need that to accurately mock up and design the critical measurements.
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« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2014, 01:29:52 pm »
No, not really any help on Spring Break, but he's, it's destined for him. He's supposed to be molding my fenders as I write this. I'm withholding final tuition payments as ransom!

I'm hoping by end of next week to be up and fully running in the shop. Just moved everything last weekend, getting machines calibrated, leveled and tooling organized has consumed most of this week. Spent the day milling a new bracket for my MotoGadget gauge for my 550. Ditching the 2 small mechanical gauges...

The big hold up on the swing arm and disc conversion is still waiting on my hub back from Buchanans. I need that to accurately mock up and design the critical measurements.

He's a lucky kid if he gets the bike when he skips out wrenching it.  I'll look for pics in your 550 thread to see the Motogadget bike porn gauge.
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2014 MV Agusta Brutale Dragster 800
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"There are some things nobody needs in this world, and a bright-red, hunch-back, warp-speed 900cc cafe racer is one of them — but I want one anyway, and on some days I actually believe I need one.... Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba." Hunter S. Thompson, Song of the Sausage Creature, Cycle World, March 1995.  (http://www.latexnet.org/~csmith/sausage.html)

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1973 CB750K2 "Bionic Mongrel" (http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=132734.0) - Sold
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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2014, 01:40:45 pm »
Have to get it anodized but need to install the micro switch first. I'm waiting on the switch from Revival Cycles. Pretty sure they've been busy getting ready for the Hand Built show in Austin this weekend.

Here's a rough pic though.
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