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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2014, 08:13:09 PM »


Hey, do you mind deleting your life story out of your sig? I don't need to know what unique fabric you used on your seat and I doubt anyone else gives a #$%*.

 Then don't #$%*ing read it .... ::)

Wouldn't that same methodology apply to you? ::)
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2014, 08:11:51 AM »


Hey, do you mind deleting your life story out of your sig? I don't need to know what unique fabric you used on your seat and I doubt anyone else gives a #$%*.

 Then don't #$%*ing read it .... ::)

Wouldn't that same methodology apply to you? ::)
I'm viewing from my phone and don't like scrolling 2 pages to get through this dope's signature!

No because i couldn't give a sh1t either way, your post was rude and uncalled for...

As was your post! Should we cry about it some more?
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2014, 09:05:08 AM »
I don't know anybody who is supplying spokes for old bikes besides buchannans. There used to be an old timer in New Jersey who would make his own spokes but you had to bring the rim and wheel to him, he wouldn't do it any other way. To be honest, any machinist can probably make you spokes but finding one with wheel building knowledge is the difficult part. I hate to say it but if you are looking for a custom application you may just have to spend the money and send the hub and rim to buchannans to get custom spokes made. I know this makes shipping very expensive but then again you can't expect custom spokes to be right on the first try. to Buchannans credit they are at least working with you at all - some shops could have easily said we made these based off the measurements you gave us and tough titty. 



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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2014, 09:20:47 AM »
Krautkoffin - grow up. Act like you have been here before.


Sorry sir, won't happen again.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 11:32:49 AM »
Kindergarten antics aside, what I'm getting from this thread is that if you're doing custom spokes from buchanan, better safe than sorry and send them your hub and rim?

How about for stock/off-the-shelf spokes? Should be no problem with those? I've got a set of rims already, just need spokes so I can lace them up.

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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2014, 12:22:07 PM »
I got an 18" Sun rim from them recently. The spoke kit was a stock kit I got from another member here. Kit was for a 18" front disc. Zero issues with install or quality.

I had also purchased a spoke kit for the rear wheel awhile back. In the time since I had decided to go with a wider rim meaning the kit I had purchased would no longer work. I called them up to confirm. Very helpful and informative. Let me know I could send the kit back with some original sample spokes (which I still have) and they would cut and re-thread the kit. --Or-- I could send my hub down with the kit and they would do what needs to be done and loose lace it to the new rim. I went with this option. Just seemed like the simplest solution with the smallest amount of headache involved. Shipping was $10.75 to send the hub and kit. Got there yesterday. Expecting a call today or tomorrow with the plan of attack.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2014, 05:01:44 PM »
I hope the OP "Stoll" gets his wheel issues sorted without any further problems and is out riding soon (or as soon as it isn't too cold to do so in New Hampshire).

Thank you RetroRocket.

Seems to me no one here should be threatening violence ("someone would be losing teeth"),  or calling someone they don't know a "dope," or suggesting they know how every other member feels, "no one gives a *&^*"

I don't know how any of that will help Stoll get his bike rolling...

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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2014, 05:25:44 PM »
I got an 18" Sun rim from them recently. The spoke kit was a stock kit I got from another member here. Kit was for a 18" front disc. Zero issues with install or quality.

I had also purchased a spoke kit for the rear wheel awhile back. In the time since I had decided to go with a wider rim meaning the kit I had purchased would no longer work. I called them up to confirm. Very helpful and informative. Let me know I could send the kit back with some original sample spokes (which I still have) and they would cut and re-thread the kit. --Or-- I could send my hub down with the kit and they would do what needs to be done and loose lace it to the new rim. I went with this option. Just seemed like the simplest solution with the smallest amount of headache involved. Shipping was $10.75 to send the hub and kit. Got there yesterday. Expecting a call today or tomorrow with the plan of attack.

How much extra did they charge for to loose lay the spokes for you?  I want stainless spokes from them as well.  Wonder if I can send them a powder coated rim, hub and have them install the stainless spokes for me.

How much extra did they charge to do that?

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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2014, 05:29:39 PM »
They charge for the spokes, plus labor to lace and true (if you want them trued). Send them your rims and hubs or buy rims from them, it doesn't effect the labor price.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2014, 08:45:05 PM »
I got an 18" Sun rim from them recently. The spoke kit was a stock kit I got from another member here. Kit was for a 18" front disc. Zero issues with install or quality.

I had also purchased a spoke kit for the rear wheel awhile back. In the time since I had decided to go with a wider rim meaning the kit I had purchased would no longer work. I called them up to confirm. Very helpful and informative. Let me know I could send the kit back with some original sample spokes (which I still have) and they would cut and re-thread the kit. --Or-- I could send my hub down with the kit and they would do what needs to be done and loose lace it to the new rim. I went with this option. Just seemed like the simplest solution with the smallest amount of headache involved. Shipping was $10.75 to send the hub and kit. Got there yesterday. Expecting a call today or tomorrow with the plan of attack.

How much extra did they charge for to loose lay the spokes for you?  I want stainless spokes from them as well.  Wonder if I can send them a powder coated rim, hub and have them install the stainless spokes for me.

How much extra did they charge to do that?

The loose lace which I went with is $30 currently. A full lace and true is $88 right now. Here is the link to their labor items:

http://www.buchananspokes.net/categories/labor.asp

I heard back from them today. They just swapped out my spoke kit with the correct one, it was unopened and purchased in 2011 which is pretty cool of them. Rim and loose lace will set me back about $350.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2014, 05:04:21 AM »
... what I'm getting from this thread is that if you're doing custom spokes from buchanan, better safe than sorry and send them your hub and rim?

How about for stock/off-the-shelf spokes? Should be no problem with those? I've got a set of rims already, just need spokes so I can lace them up.

I was the OP for this thread and I think the take away here is...

1. If you are just replacing spokes and have the ability to send them a pair of the originals with your order, then do so, even if they are stock. Shipping a couple of spokes isn't that bad.

2. If the above isn't possible but you have a stock hub and rim from a SOHC, then there is a good chance that one of Buchanan's "Pre-Packaged" kits will work fine. Note that they don't have a pre-packaged kit for the 77-78K rear since the rim size was different. I eventually had to send them a pair of the stock spokes from my 78K for them to get the bends right.

3. In all other cases, if you want to make sure it is right the first time, you will need to send them the hub and rim. I had an Excel rim that they told me I didn't need to send in because it was in their "database" but the first set of spokes they sent me were about 1/4" too long. I also sent them the exact rim measurements with my original order but that obviously wasn't enough.

As others have mentioned, they do have an excellent product and will work with you until they get it right, just make sure you factor in the extra time and/or shipping expense if your situation requires their "Made to Order" spokes. Someone mentioned that they covered their return shipping but that they did not do that for me.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2014, 12:59:39 PM »
Another important consideration is the spoke pattern, whether it is 2X, 3X, 4X, etc. as this affects the spoke lengths.  When working with stock hubs, rims, and spokes it should be easy enough to order replacements or a kit with confidence, but when building custom wheels it is almost always necessary to test fit the spokes unless you are lucky enough to be repeating someone else's custom wheel project that has been documented with good information.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2014, 11:56:15 PM »
+1 what dave said


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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2015, 05:19:54 AM »
Does anyone have an idea of the cost to have Buchanan's ship the completed wheels back to us? I asked and they just said they would tell me after I sent my rims and hubs to them...which I think is kinda #$%*ty.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2015, 06:10:18 AM »
Something has changed for the worse at Buchanan's. I've dealt with them for years with no problems. I did two Honda wheels this spring and they screwed up both times with the spokes. Finally had to tell them the length, head angle and throat length that I needed instead of ordering by make and model. Also, in the case of an early model cb550 the shortest throat length they had for the outer spokes was still a little too long.

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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2015, 06:13:52 AM »
My buddy had some issues with them recently. Maybe QC has taken a #$%*.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2015, 06:19:09 AM »
I had 2 hubs laced to Sun rims by them. Not only was the work perfect, but the shipping to me was prompt, inexpensive ($35 ground) but I had them in under 2 weeks.

I have not ever had a problem with them nor a complaint. I can't understand everyone else's issues-
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2015, 06:34:27 AM »
Thanks Cal! I'm sending them my Excel Rims and cb400f hubs today.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2015, 07:20:56 AM »


I have not ever had a problem with them nor a complaint. I can't understand everyone else's issues-

+1.  They did a great job on my Z1 rear wheel last year.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2015, 08:25:45 AM »
I ordered the stainless pre-packaged version from Dime City for stock 18" and 19". I didn't lace them, but another member did and the only issue was that the rear were a little long (1/8" - 1/4" maybe). He just ground them off after truing. The rims and hubs used were already broken down so I didn't have sample spokes to send. If I had them I probably would've sent and bought directly from them. That's been my only experience, but it seemed pretty straight forward/painless.
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2015, 11:47:12 AM »
I ordered my front spokes through Buchanan's they worked OK. They ended up being long and I had to grind them down. I ordered my rear rim and spokes through Central Wheel Components in the UK. I was looking for a 3.00 alloy with stainless spokes and nipples. Their's was cheaper even including the international shipping. The first set of stainless spokes they sent me were for a later model 550. Once I noticed that they didn't fit correctly I contacted them and they had the correct set in the mail to me the next day at no additional cost. They were very reasonable to work with. I will definitely be using them again in the future.

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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2015, 06:55:35 PM »
And yet more reasons why I'll NEVER put laced wheels on a motorcycle of mine...

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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2015, 07:54:33 PM »
They did fine on the spokes for my front rim.  But I also had a 78K rim for a 750 and they sent me the wrong ones for it.  The first time I spoke with them the lady was very courteous.  When I called to tell them that I had a problem the young lady with whom I spoke told me "Sir, I can assure you those are the correct spokes."  To which I responded, "Ma'am, I not only tried to lace them but I had Bill Benton try, who has laced rims for these bikes for over 30 years and he said there's a problem as well."  She then told me that I'd had to ship my rim & hub to them.

When I originally paid for the spokes, I paid extra for 2-day shipping plus an extra $25 for expedited processing.  Altogether, I think the cost was about $320 at that point.  To ship the hub, rim and spokes back via UPS Ground was $89. 

Once they received them, I got a call saying that the spokes were indeed the wrong size.  I politely asked that they replace the wrong spokes, plus true and lace the rim.  And I firmly stated that I expected them to pay to ship it back to me because the mistake was theirs.  They did. 

In the end, I got a great product, but the cost was over $410 dollars and it took an extra week to accomodate the shipment back to them.

On a funny side note, I told the guy when he called back to confirm that the spokes were wrong, "Why don't you guys measure my rims there and write it down?  That is the stock 78K rear rim and not only is it a different diameter rim than the previous years but the rim is also slightly wider than the earlier 69-76 rims."  He then went on to try and explain to me that the 77 and 78K rims varied from rim to rim in size.  So I asked him, "Are you saying that Honda made a rim for my bike at one size and then made the rim for the next 78K bike on the line with a different size?"  He said, "They sure did."  I just started laughing and said, "OK...well if you think that's realistic, you just go ahead and believe that but I'm not believing they would want to do that."
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Re: Fed up with Buchanans. Anyone else make custom spokes?
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2015, 08:42:47 PM »
I had the same exact problem with them as the OP. I was told a price on the phone, mailed them samples of the spokes that came out of the original honda hub, gave them specific dimensions and part number for the rim i was planning on using only to get a call back a week later saying the price would be $75 more than originally quoted. 3 weekes later i got the spokes. Beautiful chrome spokes! I was super pleased....until i laced it only to find out they were 1/2" too long. Spoke with the owner amd we figured out the proper length and he changed a few things to better suit my needs. Told me my new set would be shipping out in 1 week...3 weeks later i got my second set only to find out they were shortened only 3/8" forcing me to run the nipples down way far and having to cut/grind them down.

They do beautiful work and yes, you grt ehat you pay for. but  imho if i am ever doing anything besides ordering factory replacement spokes i will surely just ship them the hub and tim and i can garuntee 100% i wont get a wheel shipped back to me that has the wrong spokes :)

After seeing this happen to many people on here and im sure to many others, i believe they should makr that mandatory to save both them and the customer time, money and the headache....but thats just my $0.02