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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2014, 09:29:44 PM »
Chef, cam chain may be ok. Haven't checked, but good chance. We will need a m/link for it for sure! ;D
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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #76 on: February 19, 2014, 09:21:13 PM »
alright. not much in the way of pictures...but I have gotten some progress done.

cam chain and master link, standard pistons and pin circlips ordered. holding out for cheap wrist pins but cms has them for $80 shipped.....might have to go that option.

also ordered new front and rear DID stock rims, spokes, tubes, tires and wheel bearings.

frame is stripped and bare metal. just primed it today, will be painting tomorrow as well as the center stand. ordered tapered steering bearings.

swingarm is bare as well but I cannot get the bushings out for the life of me. I did it on the 750..these are stubborn though.

carbs are soda blasted, ultrasonic cleaned, have new OEM floats, and are rebuilt with OEM gaskets. painted the pump tops and bowls, left the bodies alone. these are ready to go.

uni foam material oil/cleaner are ordered to redo the stock airboxes.

I also ordered more bullet connectors from vintageconnections to freshen up the wiring harness.

things seem to be coming along. still need to actually build the engine with Bill, and have a ton of more parts to buy, as well as painting. its nice to have the ball rolling though. I felt stuck for so many weeks. tax return comes in tomorrow and its going straight to this bike. LOVE YOU POPS!

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2014, 09:53:00 PM »
Hope you get a healthy tax return as it seems like you are doing the ton with twenty dollar bills.   Are the wrist pins that bad that replacement is necesssary?

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2014, 10:37:59 PM »
Hope you get a healthy tax return as it seems like you are doing the ton with twenty dollar bills.   Are the wrist pins that bad that replacement is necesssary?

haha momo, I sold one of my electric guitars I build on the side as well as finished a custom one for a customer. of course it helped that my brother finally sent me a lump of money.....it's his dad too!

I don't know as the engine is in Bill's hands. will have to follow up. I don't mind getting new pins, I can get some other stuff from cms is I need to. this is a no holds barred rebuild...it HAS to get finished at whatever cost. money will not be the issue here, I will sell whatever is necessary...time on the other hand, can never get enough of that!

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2014, 04:30:37 AM »
Good to see one of your siblings decided to chip in.  don't blame you for the no holds barred build.  If my Dad were alive and rode(which he didn't) I'd be doing the same...Larry

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2014, 04:39:08 AM »
Good update, Chef.  You are moving....
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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2014, 04:41:48 AM »
I agree. My dad's 86. He doesn't ride, but he bought me my first one ! CA102(elec/start). Put over 8000 miles on it......a lot off road. One hell of a bike!
So yes this project kinda special.  8) Bill   Wrist pins Im checking today, but I think Chef wants new ones.....going to have new rings( I had) pistons, clips, so Im not against it. Looked in chambers last night....you'll get to see a torsion bar! ;D
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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2014, 05:30:52 AM »
I've heard torsion bars can be converted to valve springs. Any thoughts on expenses/longevity pros/cons? It's a 2000 mileage engine.

Crap bill forgot about that roller. On it!

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2014, 06:14:14 AM »


   I just got in on this thread and this is one Awesome thing to do for your Dad. And dhall, that Video was really something and Thank you for putting that up there. When my Dad was still young enough to be able to get out on a bike, I wish I could have afforded to have done that for him. Only, my Dad's bikes were Indians and there would have been no way that I could have done something like that.

   This thread is REALLY AWESOME and, after watching the video, I can only imagine the reaction THIS 450 is going to bring. Fantastic thing you are doing.  8) 
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« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2014, 02:37:54 PM »


   I just got in on this thread and this is one Awesome thing to do for your Dad. And dhall, that Video was really something and Thank you for putting that up there. When my Dad was still young enough to be able to get out on a bike, I wish I could have afforded to have done that for him. Only, my Dad's bikes were Indians and there would have been no way that I could have done something like that.

   This thread is REALLY AWESOME and, after watching the video, I can only imagine the reaction THIS 450 is going to bring. Fantastic thing you are doing.  8)
hey thanks Bill. I have a soft spot for him. he is not my real father. he is my stepdad, but as I have not spoken with my real father since he left when I was 6, this guy has been my dad for the last 18 years. I am confident he will love it and can't wait to go riding with him

an update. I went a little crazy ordering parts....just put in another order over 1K...whew. I actually can only name a few things coming, but my swingarm has been sent off to hondaman for a proper rebuild and I have almost all chassis parts.

the frame is finished be painted as well as the center stand. can't paint the swingarm until it gets back so now it will be little things here and there. progress

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2014, 05:17:51 PM »
I'm sending a blank deposit slip!  ;D
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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #86 on: February 20, 2014, 05:28:08 PM »
You missed the boat Bill it's all gone! Gotta sell another guitar or two to get back on top. Poor 78F is sitting in the room looking all helpless. No money for her right now.

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #87 on: February 20, 2014, 05:33:00 PM »


   I just got in on this thread and this is one Awesome thing to do for your Dad. And dhall, that Video was really something and Thank you for putting that up there. When my Dad was still young enough to be able to get out on a bike, I wish I could have afforded to have done that for him. Only, my Dad's bikes were Indians and there would have been no way that I could have done something like that.

   This thread is REALLY AWESOME and, after watching the video, I can only imagine the reaction THIS 450 is going to bring. Fantastic thing you are doing.  8)
hey thanks Bill. I have a soft spot for him. he is not my real father. he is my stepdad, but as I have not spoken with my real father since he left when I was 6, this guy has been my dad for the last 18 years. I am confident he will love it and can't wait to go riding with him

an update. I went a little crazy ordering parts....just put in another order over 1K...whew. I actually can only name a few things coming, but my swingarm has been sent off to hondaman for a proper rebuild and I have almost all chassis parts.

the frame is finished be painted as well as the center stand. can't paint the swingarm until it gets back so now it will be little things here and there. progress

 Sounds like that 450 is going to be done RIGHT and that is cool, if you can do that. BTW, The fact of what you are doing for your stepdad, tells who has earned the respect. Sadly, some "dad's" are, in reality, a sperm donor. Excuse me, if that's a bit bold, but it's reality. Sounds like an Awesome relationship. Proud you've got him. And he's gonna love that bike, for ALL of what it represents.  ;)
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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 (found a motor!)
« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2014, 07:17:28 PM »
a little more of a real update, this time with pictures!

roomate helping me with the old possibly original tires



tires off!





most of the black frame related parts painted! just waiting on the swingarm from hondaman and I need to do my triple bottom/stem. trying to find out which spacer to put under the tapered bearing (really don't want to have to do it twice!)



burned the old paper filters off of the housing. fun stuff. do this outside and be careful



then I replaced the paper material with oiled uni foam material. it is slightly larger than needed so it sits in place with no need for any glue. it isn't moving. hopefully that will be close to the original filter



tackled the carbs. replaced everything inside with new OEM stuff. shiny brass inside. for now I am going to keep the bodies the original carb color for contrast. that might change when I get the engine and paint it the same color as the accelrator pump and bowls in this pic. this is VHT cast aluminum and Yolanda's engine and carbs are painted this color. I did polish the choke linkage and bowl clips. time consuming and messy





now some parts pictures. I am helping keep Honda in business..haha about $2000 worth of parts so far. going all out for my pops. here are some NOS standard pistons. Bill measured the bores after honing and they are basically brand new. expected considering its a 2000 mile engine. he has NOS rings, wrist pins, and I have the pin clips.



gasket kit. I bought two unsure of what I needed. better safe than sorry



lots of parts: wheel bearing retainers, chain adjusters and hardware, fork ear pieces, reflectors and bases, gaitors, petcock, gas cap, latch, 5.5mm hose 3.5mm hose, hose clips, frame>tank rubber holder, tach cable, speedo cable, clutch cable, throttle cable, right switch, headlight, tank gold stripes, NOS speedo and NOS tacho. also got allballs wheel bearings and taper neck bearings.









not pictured yet is the frame which is painted and finished, handlebars (using K1 bars), new DID front and rear rims, tires, and tubes. waiting for spokes to arrive. tomorrow hopefully I can soda blast the hubs, and get the bearing retainers out along with the old bearings and replace them. also get the hubs painted up with the VHT cast aluminum. I am using that on the fork lowers too. I also received my POR-15 kit for the tank. it has held up well in Yolanda for the last 6000 miles.

next steps for me are getting the paint ordered. I am going with "tuskey green" again which is my version of the honda candy blue-green. my dad swears his bike was "that" color every time he sees my bike. so I am not going to be picky. if he loves it and that's what he remembers then by all means he is getting that paint! it will be nice to have matching bikes too ;)

gotta get the tank cleaned and coated inside, forks rebuilt, new master cyclinder and slingshot cables. still need front and rear sprockets and chain. waiting on the swingarm so I can paint it and get things ON the frame. right now I am kinda waiting on everything to really put anything together. of course the most important part, the engine, is up in ATL waiting for me. Bill and I should have all the necessary parts now, I just need to get up there in the next few weeks and we can get started building it!

I know this has been a lot of pics and text but an update was needed. thanks for reading. its coming together!
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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 making progress
« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2014, 07:50:36 PM »
The "Tuskey" 450!!! ;D  8)
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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 making progress
« Reply #90 on: March 05, 2014, 08:08:17 PM »
I forgot this build was going on, Awesome work Justin!  And you say I work fast and don't follow a budget... ;D
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« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2014, 08:22:40 PM »
haha Bill, exactly. now I never said I didn't go all out either Tige ;) only the best for my dad. I am rushing to get this thing done so I can put some miles on it and troubleshoot/make sure everything is just right. (on the original speedo of course!) then I will put the NOS one on for him to enjoy :D then its all about the logistics of getting it up north 1000 miles away and having all the pieces fall together. My roomate had a great idea, everyone in the family will give him wrapped old parts off the bike, he will know in the back of his mind something is coming. rather than completely catch him off guard. this way he can see a small portion of the old and then the last gift will be the keys to the bike, parked outside. I can't wait!

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« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2014, 05:41:36 AM »
Great update, Chef. 
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« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2014, 02:07:58 PM »
You've got more patience than I did on the Uni-foam mod. Congrats! I still have brand new Uni material if anyone wants some.

Great to see you got the right gauges too with the indicators built inside.
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« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2014, 03:18:58 PM »
looking good  8)

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« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2014, 03:46:13 PM »
Does anyone know what spacer is used on the stem tapered bearing? I have the all balls kit with a thick and thin spacer just like with the 750, I actually think  it's the same kit. Don't want to put the wrong spacer and have to take the bearing off and do it again. Thanks

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« Reply #96 on: March 06, 2014, 04:59:21 PM »
Does anyone know what spacer is used on the stem tapered bearing? I have the all balls kit with a thick and thin spacer just like with the 750, I actually think  it's the same kit. Don't want to put the wrong spacer and have to take the bearing off and do it again. Thanks

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« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2014, 06:20:46 PM »
Correct stevo

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Re: Project: Over the hill -1971 cb450 making progress
« Reply #98 on: March 06, 2014, 07:48:05 PM »
haha Bill, exactly. now I never said I didn't go all out either Tige ;) only the best for my dad. I am rushing to get this thing done so I can put some miles on it and troubleshoot/make sure everything is just right. (on the original speedo of course!) then I will put the NOS one on for him to enjoy :D then its all about the logistics of getting it up north 1000 miles away and having all the pieces fall together. My roomate had a great idea, everyone in the family will give him wrapped old parts off the bike, he will know in the back of his mind something is coming. rather than completely catch him off guard. this way he can see a small portion of the old and then the last gift will be the keys to the bike, parked outside. I can't wait!

This is Very encouraging chef,keep up the good work  ;) !
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« Reply #99 on: March 06, 2014, 10:24:24 PM »
I used no spacers on my k5. Perfect fit.