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Cafe Racer another level? What could be new in cafe racer market?
« on: September 04, 2006, 09:01:57 PM »
I am looking for new ideas and a new level to take cafe racers to. You guys always have great ideas so I looking for new ones. I was thinking of bringing a bit of chopperdom graphics to teh world of cafe. Say good bye to "I drank all my money" paint jobs. Any other ideas? I was also thinking of making "kits" that would allow you to take your stocker to full cafe in one afternoon with no cutting. And back again if you got sick of it. These kits would be matching graphic tank, side covers, fairing, tail section, and a seat.

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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 09:17:38 PM »
drop it... no, really, drop the bike... maybe an inch or three.  that may really affect how you go about cafe'ing.
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 09:23:06 PM »
drop it... no, really, drop the bike... maybe an inch or three.  that may really affect how you go about cafe'ing.

I think this is a great idea as the center of gravity lowers, it WILL handle better.  ;D I had even thought through some frame mods that would lower the motor assembly about 1 inch in the frame.

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 09:45:55 PM »
i know that if i dropped my cafe i'd have to lift the pipes.  i've scraped a peg or two so rearsets would be in order.  i'd also like to see the riding position become steeper than ever.  get down on top of the front wheel.   8)
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2006, 10:13:31 PM »
Single shock conversion.

Dual disk kit.

Kustom exhaust.

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2006, 05:08:51 AM »
In my opinion, when doing the paint scheme, I think the more subtle, the better- I mean, the bike will have guts built into it, and that is what is there to kick butt, not some big gawdy "C A F E" letters painted all over it. 

I mean no disrespect for those who have the word CAFE plastered all over their bike, but to a lot of other riders it must look like we're advertising we are riding to Bob's Big Boy to chow down!!  For people "in the know" who know about cafe bikes, we already know a cafe bike is a cafe bike, so the word "CAFE" painted on is just too much in my opinion.

I think a solid color, with perhaps an offset strip lengthwise on the top (like an old Boss Mustang or Camaro, etc.) would be perfect..  Triumph Thruxton 900 captured this look with their checkerboard stripe down the middle of the gas tank, although I personally would prefer a solid stripe.  When I rebuilt my 750s, I always painted them solid black, and I got a LOT of compliments on them.  Of course, black is hard to get perfect bacause it shows any imperfection, but that's another story.

Whoops!  Now to address the actual thread question:
I think it might be cool to see some slightly different tech than we are used to seeing on Cafe bikes:  How about belt drive instead of drive chain?  Also, a buddy of mine used to have an '84 GPZ 550, with the computer deal on the tank..  I always thought that was cool- maybe some high tech wizardry would be nice..  Perhaps keep the stock RPM gauge, but in the shell of the speedo, build in a multi-function gauge that will normally show Speedo in big LCD digits, but can also show oil pressure, temp, battery charge, clock, etc.  If you add a fuel sending unit, it could show you fuel level and milage per gallon too..

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2006, 05:34:08 AM »
1. Low stance
2. Modern dual disc brakes
3. No scrapping exhaust (loud)
4. Modern electronics
5. Bright as hell LED taillights
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2006, 06:55:40 AM »
The mono shock is a killer idea, still working through that one in my head. It would have to be a front to back horizontal orientation like choppers unlike the mid 80's interceptors which were vertical.

Not that I have anything against the lettering "cafe" on a bike, but I think it is akin to the guy who puts a huge "CAMARO" sticker across the window. I think this is just in case he forgot what he was driving. ;D

When I say graphics: I mean graphics--- Painted stuff and NO STICKERS. Like the super sick detail work that is seen on only the best custom bikes. Like a pin up that just about looks real. Seeing that I can get a $3,000 paint job for about $300 there are no limitations. My latest graphic artist, can do solid color for a whole $150! But he hates doing plain Jane's as he calls them. We mean graphics like the attached photo.  ;D

Hey Teal? How about a nice pile of gloss white tortured skulls on the sides of the tank on a sort of conveyor that "dumps" into the side covers. Sort of like feeding them to a meat grinder? We may have some projects for this winter. ;D

As for the brakes I think if I can figure out just how to get late model CBR rotors and calipers on the front of these bikes we will have it made. Mainly I was looking at getting 4 or 6 piston calipers on it with over sized rotors.The modern electronics thing is not a big deal really. I am presently working on being able to reproduce cb 750 K and F wiring harnesses that exceed O.E. specs and accept new updated fuse boxes as well as still accepting the old hand controls.

Digital gauges would not be too big of a deal. I just need to find a high quality gauge company with a good price, service, and tech support. No China crap..... These have to work everytime.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2006, 07:04:09 AM »
nice mouse.

how bout just get rid of the bars altogether - we can just lean forward and grip the forks with our hands to steer?  ;)
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2006, 07:08:37 AM »
Holy crap, I did not even notice the mouse  :D

I thought you were posting a response to a different thread  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2006, 08:06:23 AM »
If you can get modern front-brakes with huge calipers to work with the stock front-end and wheels I am def. sold on that. Cant beat the look of HUGE brakes on anything , let alone a older scoot.

You def. have something with the "cafe in a box" idea.
I could see allot of people who pickup a stock bike and wanna get the cafe look going for that.
You could included their choice of bars - seat - shorter cables - etc...
Sounds like a great idea that will work...
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2006, 08:16:59 AM »
Is it wrong to be in love with a painting? If it weren't for the tatoo, she'd be perfect (I prefer bare skin on a woman).
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2006, 08:18:52 AM »
Graphics are cool - when it's sitting in the parking lot or at a show. "Cafe Racers" are go boats not show boats. Nothing wrong with looking nice, but I'd rather spend the money on brakes, handling, electrics\lighting in that order.
 
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2006, 08:29:09 AM »
Sorry, I forgot the topic. I like the idea of a cafe kit. Maybe a deluxe kit with bars and rearsets? And I second (3rd, 4th?) the modern brakes.

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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2006, 08:43:08 AM »
Graphics are cool - when it's sitting in the parking lot or at a show. "Cafe Racers" are go boats not show boats. Nothing wrong with looking nice, but I'd rather spend the money on brakes, handling, electrics\lighting in that order.
 


You missed the point, With graphics costing chicken change, there would be no reason other than wanting to , to have a one color bike. I agree on the performance parts. These are first, not an afterthought like some builders.

I noticed no one mentioned a steering stabilzer. I can tell you I do not want to be doing over 135 without one. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2006, 09:07:42 AM »
Hey, how 'bout a steering stabilizer?  ;D

Seriously, what do they do? Just act like a shock absorber against wobble? I apologize for my noobness, but I was experimenting while riding yesterday and noticed that with no hands on the bar, there was some wobble. I don't feel anything in my hands or arms though. Just wondering...
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2006, 09:38:26 AM »
fercristsake keep your hands on the bars, man!  ::) :P
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2006, 09:46:53 AM »



           I don't think it's been mentioned but, what about different variations on the kit idea? For example, some may just want bars, rearsets and a steering damper. Like different stages, you know?
a person may want (or be able to better afford) to go a step at a time and perhaps a seat with a tank and maybe later a mini or a full fairing. You know, something along that line. You could have packages set up in different stages and also offer a full kit. See what I'm saying? Just a thought. I know I'd have to do it in stages and I'm sure that they're others in the same boat.

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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2006, 10:14:25 AM »
fercristsake keep your hands on the bars, man!  ::) :P
;D ;D ;D Aw, come on! I was wearing my Corona tank top!  ;)

Seriously, it's not something I normally would do. I was just curious. And it's not like I was doing stretches or flapping my arms to fly, I just held my hands an inch above them to see...
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2006, 05:18:58 PM »



           I don't think it's been mentioned but, what about different variations on the kit idea? For example, some may just want bars, rearsets and a steering damper. Like different stages, you know?
a person may want (or be able to better afford) to go a step at a time and perhaps a seat with a tank and maybe later a mini or a full fairing. You know, something along that line. You could have packages set up in different stages and also offer a full kit. See what I'm saying? Just a thought. I know I'd have to do it in stages and I'm sure that they're others in the same boat.

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Thsi is just the same thing we were thinking. Maybe go on a Stage I, Stage II, or Stage III kit

fercristsake keep your hands on the bars, man!  ::) :P
;D ;D ;D Aw, come on! I was wearing my Corona tank top!  ;)

Seriously, it's not something I normally would do. I was just curious. And it's not like I was doing stretches or flapping my arms to fly, I just held my hands an inch above them to see...

Hope you were wearing your flip flops.  ;D

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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2006, 06:05:22 PM »
Cheapo,

This is something that I am very much trying to do with my 750SS.  I want modern performance with a classic look.  I hesitate to tell my secrets, but on here, we're sorta like family, so here goes it: 

To achieve my goals, so far I have purchased a front end from a 2004 CB919, complete with tripple trees.  I chose these because they will allow me to still use clubman bars with modern braking and shock absorbtion.  The triple trees are soooo clean.  No little bumps for miscilaneous bolts and brakets.  Very nice.  But.....it is going to be a small nightmare mateing it up to my old rim becausethe tripple trees are about 1/2 inch wider on each side than the old ones.  I am confident that I will make it work though.  I will run the forks lower in the trees to lower the front.

For the rear, I have a set of dual rate vintage racing shocks, but I want more.  I've been thinking about building one of those cool swingarms that have top and bottom rails and it pinches down to a wedge in the rear, but the problem is.....where would the mono-shock mount?

No problem.  I have effectively created a way to COMPLETELY clean out the space behind the motor and carbs, all the way to the back wheel.  I am very excited about this part of the build because so far I have not seen a single 750 that is completely void of all the frame internals that normally go in there.  There may be one out there, and good for the builder that did it, but I still haven't seen it, and if I did, I would probably think that they guy who did it was wicked cool!

Also- for the gauges.  I will only be running a speedo, digital, and most likely recessed in the top of the headlight bucket.  The only thing I want seen on the front are clubmans and a big 'ole chrome headlight assembly.  I will run a hydrolic clutch, a small, modern front master cylinder and the only switch will be made with a key.  I am hoping to fabricate a hidden throttle cable, but this idea is not looking good :'(

All turn signals will be excessively small, probably LED's

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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2006, 07:27:21 PM »



     
              jp,         I am certainly looking forward to hearing more about this one. Sounds like you've got
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2006, 07:59:52 PM »
At the time I was starting my resto in 2004 I fell in love with Carpys bikes.
He was very helpful and even made the seat for me. One of the 1st sold. "good deal";D

I wouldn't do another one like it...............but I do turn around and look at it and smile ;D
And yes I get a lot of silly questions. I can either educate them on the bikes history and what I was going for style wise, or.......... if they look (a bit slow) I tell them to Google "Cafe Racer".

OK, big sigh now ooooooooooooooooooo  My bike is OK, My bike is OK,My bike is OK,My bike is OK.


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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2006, 08:57:29 PM »
Bill,

I have big hopes for it as well, but other than the front end, some shocks for the regular rear setup and a complete teardown- all I have to show so far is a chrome powder coated frame and some micsellaneous stuff. :-\

I've been known to jump into things without checking the temp., and this time it has really got me working my butt off.  The 550SS is almost complete, I have a 78 750K that needs to be re-assembled, and in mid september I will be building a charity bike for auction (more details when it actually starts).  The 750K is for a pre-pay customer and he comes first.  It needs to be done no later than the end of Sept, but hopefully by mid month.  Somewhere in there I need to slowly turn out MY 750SS, but I don't expect it to be done until around the new year time frame, if that soon.

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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2006, 03:45:31 AM »
Hey, how 'bout a steering stabilizer?  ;D

Seriously, what do they do? Just act like a shock absorber against wobble? I apologize for my noobness, but I was experimenting while riding yesterday and noticed that with no hands on the bar, there was some wobble. I don't feel anything in my hands or arms though. Just wondering...

Ummm since you mentioned noobness....have ya tightened down the steering bearing nut lately? Slop in the bearings of the steering head will do just that.

Might be time for an adjustment or some tapered bearings in the ol' steering buddy.

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