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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2014, 08:27:52 PM »
One of my favorite tools is a teenie tiny chisel. About 1/8" shaft with a 2/16" blade. In this case you would tap (after soaking and everything else already suggested) on the 2 front outboard studs, driving into the gasket material and eventually into the aluminum, but just a skosh, and then continue all around the base gasket. Just keep tapping till you hear the hollow sound of separation. What little damage you do will be on the outside of the perimeter easily touched up.

I've done this many times, and others (edwardmorris, did he get it from me?)  here have taken my suggestion and it worked for them. But it is rather last resort. Though its always been first resort for me.

definitely if you don't have the teenie chisel don't use a larger one. You need the thinnest, but hardest blade possible to avoid damage.

Someone glued it on. Not necessary. A little heat from a heat gun might help break the glue.

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 09:01:03 PM »
.....I've done this many times, and others (edwardmorris, did he get it from me?)  here have taken my suggestion and it worked for them. ....

Sure did, had the one rotted dowel that needed this extra push. Didn't exactly have a standalone chisel, but my utility pliers had just the perfect size chisel attachment to get mine off, and since I had already cut out the gasket around the dowel, there was just enough a sliver for the chisel to slide in without gouging the aluminum.

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 09:46:24 PM »
They do make a puttyknife type scraper that has a metal center
in the handle. It makes it possible to then use a hammer. The
thin blade, when sharpened. will usually get you started underneath.
Maybe at Sears or Harbor Freight. I've used one to get differential
covers off that are stubborn, and it works good.

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2014, 01:04:07 PM »


 If it makes you feel any better, others are experiencing the same issue, meee too.

The weird thing is the bas gasket was leaking, bad ?   :-\

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2014, 01:29:58 PM »
They do make a puttyknife type scraper that has a metal center
in the handle. It makes it possible to then use a hammer. The
thin blade, when sharpened. will usually get you started underneath.
Maybe at Sears or Harbor Freight. I've used one to get differential
covers off that are stubborn, and it works good.
Same idea. I think the teenie chisel will transfer more of the shock of the hit, seeing as how its hardened v the putty knife which would be softer. Kinda like an impact driver.

Still I'm sure its useful.
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2014, 05:06:07 PM »
Come on now, just re-attach the head w/o using the cylinder bolts or studs.....

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2014, 05:41:07 PM »
Sooooo, you ready to try some ironwood wedges yet? Another idea is a tree falling wedge available where chainsaws are sold. Get one with the longest taper.
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2014, 11:39:36 PM »
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2014, 11:44:43 AM »
Sooooo, you ready to try some ironwood wedges yet? Another idea is a tree falling wedge available where chainsaws are sold. Get one with the longest taper.
I did like the ironwood idea, Terry. Something that's pretty hard, but not hard enough to scar the aluminum. I did end up using a very thin flexible scraper to get into the gasket material. Pictures to follow...
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2014, 05:48:45 PM »
Like I said, a tree-falling wedge would probably work well too. They're pretty cheap and made of shatterproof plastic.
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2014, 06:21:51 PM »
So I finally achieved success - and I want to thank all of you for your help, suggestions, encouragement, and humor. (The sawzall did enter my mind a time or two.)

I used a few suggestions and I don't know which ends up being "the answer".  But I did mix up some ATF/Acetone and really soaked the  studs. Of course I had already been soaking them with PB Blaster etc - but the new mixture may have helped. I also bought and used a 3 lb. dead blow hammer - had been using my rubber mallet. And the dead blow really seems to deliver more force without breaking any fins. I also applied the butane torch - and then broke out the really thin scraper.

Using a tiny bit of hammer force - I drove the scraper into the heated gasket area. It seemed to give way more easily and once started - I worked my way around the perimeter tapping the scraper along the gasket line. Once some of the gasket material was out, I used more of the ATF/acetone mix in that space and gave it a rest. Next day, used a 2x2 and a hammer to attempt to drive the cylinders up a little. I knew I was making progress when I saw some of the ATF/Acetone begin to leak out at the stud locations. I next moved to a very small chisel and worked it around the perimeter again, using shims to keep from losing progress on the opposite side. Eventually I had a pretty good sized gap between cylinders (jugs) and the block - but she still resisted my attempts to pull the jugs off. So more prying - now with a small pry bar - and shimming. Getting more space. Now I took two of my ADD pills and began rocking, pulling, swearing, sweating on the cylinders. And finally she gave way.

And now the hard truth. Feeling good about getting the jugs off finally, but now will have to deal with 4 broken studs - one of which is sheared off pretty close to the block - and another six that still need to come out - including three that look like they've been rusting for 20 years or so. But that's another thread!

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2014, 06:47:51 PM »
congrats.  No wonder you had difficulty, never seen that much stud corrosion.  Dead blow hammers don't bounce off like the rubber mallet-you'll find many other uses for it in the future...larry

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2014, 06:48:40 PM »
Well if it makes you feel better....worst corroded stud Ive ever seen on a 750 Honda! Wow, that is nasty, looks like its been on the Titanic! ;D
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2014, 07:05:59 PM »
Hooooooooooly crapola. I thought my corroded dowel was bad, this is nuts. Glad you got them apart.

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2014, 07:39:31 PM »
Well if it makes you feel better....worst corroded stud Ive ever seen on a 750 Honda! Wow, that is nasty, looks like its been on the Titanic! ;D
When all else fails, I use me trusty old oyster knife, has started many a tough one, but yours, not so sure...that's the epitome of corroded! Bill
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2014, 09:32:13 PM »
Way to go! Some times one needs to do what ever is needed!

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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2014, 10:22:24 PM »
For the studs broken off close to the block, I weld a nut on the end of the broken bolt. The combination of something to turn and heat usually does it. Sometimes it takes a try or two but it hasn't failed me yet.
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Re: Jugs Stuck to Block! Stubborn...
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2014, 08:05:29 AM »
For the studs broken off close to the block, I weld a nut on the end of the broken bolt. The combination of something to turn and heat usually does it. Sometimes it takes a try or two but it hasn't failed me yet.
Thanks Don. I may need to scour the neighborhood for somebody with welding skills. Or is it time for me to add welding to the garage arsenal? Also worried about ending up with several more broken studs - considering how bad the corrosion is.
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