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Re: Free money
« Reply #75 on: January 24, 2014, 10:05:41 AM »
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I never hear anyone complain about the lifetime salary and benefits paid to elected a Congress or a Cabinet appointees while dealing with these issues.... even if it's a single term

Might be because it is not true. You might want to do a little more research.   ;)

Bob - this time, it is true. I know this for a fact from 3 very reliable sources, 2 of which are family, and 1 a lifelong friend. The friend is a former Congressman, the 2 family members are now retired Govt employees.

It's unreal that most US citizens DONT know this.
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Re: Free money
« Reply #76 on: January 24, 2014, 10:08:47 AM »
You're saying after "one term" they are continuing their benefits and salary for life? I think they are jerking your chain.

A pension benefit. People on the federal payroll, including members of Congress, receive a traditional "defined benefit" pension, something that is available to only a small percentage of private-sector workers.

 According to the Congressional Research Service, in October 2006 the average annual pension for a retired member of Congress who served under FERS was $35,952, compared with the current $174,000 salary for active members.

 (Members of Congress won't be affected by President Obama's proposal for a pay freeze for federal employees — Congress sets its own pay scales separately, and in 2009 and 2010 voted to forgo its usually automatic annual pay increases.)

 A member who leaves office before serving five years because of an election defeat or resignation is not eligible for a pension. And any member who is convicted of a crime such as bribery, fraud, racketeering or perjury for acts committed after September 2007 is ineligible.

 But, on grounds that working in Congress means uncertain job security, elected members and their staffs receive a larger retirement benefit from FERS for each year of service than other federal employees. They also become eligible for a retirement annuity at a younger age and with fewer years of service.

 In return, they contribute a higher percentage of their pay to participate in FERS — 1.3 percent instead of 0.8 percent for most workers. As in the private sector, the bulk of the retirement benefit's cost is picked up by the employer, in this case, the U.S. government.

 Members of Congress can begin drawing their full pension at age 62 if they have completed five years of service, at age 50 with 20 years' service, or at any age with 25 years' service. They can collect a reduced pension with 10 years of service at ages 55 to 57, depending on their birth year.
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Re: Free money
« Reply #77 on: January 24, 2014, 10:34:02 AM »
oh boy, that is really hitting close to home considering it appears that tenth guy has been drinking his beer overseas for quite some time now...I sure have not seen him around

That damn Cayman Island beer, saves on tax money all the time!
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Re: Free money
« Reply #78 on: January 24, 2014, 03:31:19 PM »
Here's something to think about for those that think the system is just fine...

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85 people—the richest of the world’s rich—hold as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion. That’s half the world’s population. In other words, the top 0.00000001 percent are worth as much as the bottom 50 percent combined. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, control nearly half the world’s wealth, or 65 times as much as the world’s less-fortunate half.

Tell me thats right...!!!  :o >:(
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Re: Free money
« Reply #79 on: January 24, 2014, 05:00:18 PM »
Just a fyi.  Our corporate tax code and transfer of jobs back to the states is a very short patch.  Million of low skilled jobs will soon be replaced by robots and computers that do not demand higher wages and expendive health care. 

It is just getting started.  When was the last time you went inside your bank to the teller to conduct business.  I frequent mine about once a year.  I use atm and mobile deposit for 99.99% of my banking needs.

When was the last time you used a self checkout?  One worker and computers replaced 8 workers. 

Fast food now has ordering apps for your phone.  No longer need the person taking orders and cash.  One fast food place has a fully functioning kiosk.

I was at a chilies that had s desktop ordering kiosk with credit card machine.  No longer soneone waiting on you to take orders.  Now just filling drinks and bringing food out.  One person can help 2+ the number of tables.

3D printing will cut into general manufacturing.  Just buy the plans online and print at home.  No more shipping and store shelves.


My point is that things are only going to get worse.  Higher unemployment and lower wages for the low skilled workers.  Income gap will only get wider.  The lower middle class are moving toward poverty, middle middle class will move down to lower middle....



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Re: Free money
« Reply #80 on: January 24, 2014, 05:21:42 PM »
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3D printing will cut into general manufacturing. Just buy the plans online and print at home. No more shipping and store shelves.

Recently saw a news segment about 3D printing a home (the shell I presume). A 2500 square foot home in 20 hours!! Clearly a 3D printer on steroids, but ...
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Re: Free money
« Reply #81 on: January 24, 2014, 07:09:34 PM »
Here's something to think about for those that think the system is just fine...

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85 people—the richest of the world’s rich—hold as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion. That’s half the world’s population. In other words, the top 0.00000001 percent are worth as much as the bottom 50 percent combined. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, control nearly half the world’s wealth, or 65 times as much as the world’s less-fortunate half.

Tell me that right...!!!  :o >:(

Yeah, I wrote about this earlier. However, if you confiscated 100% of the 85's money and equally distributed it to the poorest 3.5 billion, they would each receive $469. Then what?

Splitting the top 1%'s $110 trillion across all 7.2 billion people yields $15,277 per person. Equally divide the TOTAL wealth of the world and each person gets $30,555. Then what?

You think if everyone had $30.5K in their pocket, the drunks would stop drinking? The gamblers would stop gambling? The stupid would be less stupid? No one would squander their money?

A common misconception is that the poor are poor BECAUSE of the rich. Just ain't so. Most of the poor would STILL be poor if there were NO rich.

The biggest problem with the rich/poor desparity is the ability of the UNSCRUPULOUS RICH to BUY our governments' lawmakers and FIX the game even more in their favor.

We need a WORLDWIDE LAW that says if your net worth exceeds, let's say $50K (or some number), you are not allowed to contribute to anybody's campaign! Good luck!

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Re: Free money
« Reply #82 on: January 24, 2014, 08:23:10 PM »
Here's something to think about for those that think the system is just fine...

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85 people—the richest of the world’s rich—hold as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion. That’s half the world’s population. In other words, the top 0.00000001 percent are worth as much as the bottom 50 percent combined. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, control nearly half the world’s wealth, or 65 times as much as the world’s less-fortunate half.

Tell me that right...!!!  :o >:(

Yeah, I wrote about this earlier. However, if you confiscated 100% of the 85's money and equally distributed it to the poorest 3.5 billion, they would each receive $469. Then what?

That wasn't my point at all, its the fact that this small amount of  people are allowed to rape and pillage due to their influence {as you've mentioned below}, Some of these people do absolutely nothing to earn that money simply because when you have that much it accumulates on its own, there is a whole generation of them {rich kids} coming through that didn't lift a finger to get their wealth, they inherited it with a sense of entitlement to everything and no respect {or idea} for the "common" man. You see, everyone in todays society is part of the rich mans machine or system, they think thats what they have to do  and be{thats life} to be a part of "society", I think its all BS, I am multi skilled and in an older world would be far better off than I am today, I can build my own home, grow my own food and live almost completely self sufficient,{amongst a lot of other things} the greedy ones don't want that, can you imagine if we all went back to doing as our forefathers did and did everything ourselves..?  We wouldn't have these massively rich bastards sucking the life out of society...

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The biggest problem with the rich/poor desparity is the ability of the UNSCRUPULOUS RICH to BUY our governments' lawmakers and FIX the game even more in their favor.

We need a WORLDWIDE LAW that says if your net worth exceeds, let's say $50K (or some number), you are not allowed to contribute to anybody's campaign! Good luck!

I don't think anyone should contribute to their grubby little campaigns at all, let them lie and BS out of their own pockets, keep big business completely out of the political campaigning, I'm not real keen on the lobby groups either, they buy common sense and shove it down the toilet......
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