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Offline emmaus777

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'77 550F Front Brake question...
« on: September 05, 2006, 04:29:31 PM »
I've seached for the answer for about a week now with no luck, so I thought I would ask the experts. I bought the bike about 2 months ago with about 10,000 miles on it. I've been riding it at least 3 times a week without trouble. About two weeks ago I noticed the front brake starting to drag a little. It slowly got worse and worse until the eventually it locked right up, I had stopped riding it before this point ;) ! I figured I would just bleed them to see if that helped, but the previous owner had snaped the screw and then snapped off an easy out. So, I picked up a new caliper at the salvage yard near by. I took it all apart and everything looked good. Put the system back together, adjusted the static pad to .006 clearance as per the manual. But, when I stop applying the brakes the outside pad never comes off the disc, it drags. Not enough to squeek or slow the bike down but the wheel definetly dosen't spin freely. I can't find any leaks in the system, so I've come here for help...what's the problem?  Thanks in advance
Robb
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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2006, 05:50:43 PM »
I had a problem with my brake pads getting cocked sideways a little bit on my 550, found out they were to tight of a fit in the caliper and had that tendensy as a result. They didn't back off the rotor like they should so the wheel turned hard. Probably not your problem but you never can know.  Also a likely cause, the master cylinder needs to be cleaned and rebuilt because it is not releaving the pressure when released.

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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2006, 08:35:48 PM »
But, when I stop applying the brakes the outside pad never comes off the disc, it drags.

Sounds like the pin is frozen in the caliper bracket (#'s 9 & 10 below). I had one like that; had to press it out in an arbor press. Take it apart, clean & re-grease it.

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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2006, 06:03:06 AM »
Could also be biuld of the secret additive (SH*T) behind the caliper piston seal
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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2006, 12:31:52 PM »
There's lots of theories about how the brake should work, I don't know what's true. The outside (piston) pad should retract slightly when the brake is released and the wheel should spin somwhat freely, there will laways be a slight drag with this brake design.
One theory is that the piston seal does the retracting, it gets squeezed under pressure and pulle the piston back a bit as it unsqueezes when the pressure is removed; any corrosion residue in the seal groove supposedly interferes with this action and hinders retraction. I dunno - after cleaning a groove beyond sterile I've had a piston still not retracting too well.
Another theory is that the master cylinder pulls back a bit when the lever is relaxed, the piston moves back a bit before uncovering the bypass hole, this pulls the caliper cylinder back. If there are air bubbles in the system they get compressed under braking and act like a spring, keeping pressure on the caliper as the piston moves back. I have seen sticky brakes free up a bit after a fanatical bleeding so I kinda believe this one a bit.
Regardless: When working perfectly, the outer pad will contact the rotor after braking. This is just the design, the spring pushes the whole caliper assembly that way on its pivot. The piston retraction will not be as much as your static pad clearance adjustment. After a while riding the spring pressure and just bouncing around and shaking the caliper back and forth should push the caliper in and the wheel will spin freely if the brake is working properly. If you coast to a stop (or just rear brake) after 10 minutes or so of riding without any brake use you should find the front wheel almost completely free turning.
The screw adjustment for the static pad clearance limits its how far the piston can retract this way, so that it doesn't go so far that the brake lever pulls all the way to the bar before the caliper is tight on the rotor again.

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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2006, 02:45:09 PM »
Could also be biuld of the secret additive (SH*T) behind the caliper piston seal

right on.... Take it apart and clean it.

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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2006, 05:05:29 PM »
Thanks for all the replys! I guess I'll take it apart and clean it again... I thought I had cleaned it pretty well the first time, but one never knows. I'll also bleed them a lot after I put it back together. We'll see what happens. Again, thanks for the help and sorry it took so long to reply back.

Robb
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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2006, 05:10:55 PM »
Take a strand of copper wire and poke it into the tiny fluid return hole in the bottom of the brake fluid reservoir.  These get clogged easily and will keep the pad from pulling away from the disc. 

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Re: '77 550F Front Brake question...
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2006, 07:18:48 AM »
Thanks, I'll give that a try. :)
Robb
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