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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2014, 12:09:15 PM »
I'm nearly $11000 into my 550 Cafe build. A bunch of NOS parts and the crème of the crop everything else. It's scary and I chose to forget about it because I'm not done :( Haha
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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2014, 01:32:42 PM »
some of you guys seem to be spending an awful amount of money getting these machines back together. I'm curious how much of the work people are doing yourself and how much is being hired out?

My K4 750 cost $800 I am doing a Mutt of a restoration / hot rod using parts from 750's from 69-78 and nothing has gone right with a lot of it. So far it has chewed up about $2500  and i have maybe $750 to go. so $4050 by the time Im done. For this build i will be doing 99% of the work. 
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2014, 01:35:15 PM »
That is about the average price to rebuild completely.

But think how much a NEW motorcycle costs.
And those parts are much more expensive.
Not $100 parts, more like $500 parts.

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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2014, 01:41:29 PM »
I tend not to think about what I have into things like a car or bike, haha and I do as much work on it as I have time and ability for. I knew it would cost me some with parts from the get go, as my friend an PO had only done plugs and oil changes over the 3 years he owned it lol. He didn't even adjust or lube the chain, thank god for a 630 chain!
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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2014, 02:20:29 PM »
After I rescued my 550 I knew I had more in it than what it was worth so I rode it as often as I could, not just because I enjoyed riding it but I was making it pay for itself as well.
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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2014, 02:32:38 PM »
some of you guys seem to be spending an awful amount of money getting these machines back together. I'm curious how much of the work people are doing yourself and how much is being hired out?

My K4 750 cost $800 I am doing a Mutt of a restoration / hot rod using parts from 750's from 69-78 and nothing has gone right with a lot of it. So far it has chewed up about $2500  and i have maybe $750 to go. so $4050 by the time Im done. For this build i will be doing 99% of the work.

I don't do:
Putting the tyres on
Chrome work
Engine machining

I do:
Everything Else

Bike $1500
HM300 pipes $500
Engine machining $1200
Paint $700
Wheels $700
Engine parts $3000
Carby parts $500
Local auto store $300

Still need:
Ignition including coils
Seat
Recon gauges


Would still like to do:
New badges
New fenders

Shipping and freight to Australia really hurts
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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2014, 03:33:58 PM »
 I'm lucky to have parts bikes, parts bins and boxes of parts. I rarely pay labor charges and yet,,,, I understand.
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2014, 03:54:39 PM »
... Full disclosure mode with the wife ... ?    :o



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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2014, 03:56:52 PM »
I am a bit of a nerd (by a bit I mean huge)  and have tracked it the whole way. Currently at $6,174.44 with an estimated total build price of $14,979.04
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2014, 04:00:12 PM »
I am a bit of a nerd (by a bit I mean huge)  and have tracked it the whole way. Currently at $6,174.44 with an estimated total build price of $14,979.04

Got a pic, this must be some bike.  I think I would spend $10K on a new CB1100 before I spent $14K rebuilding one, but thats just me. [and I'm not buying a new CB]
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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2014, 04:05:07 PM »
I am a bit of a nerd (by a bit I mean huge)  and have tracked it the whole way. Currently at $6,174.44 with an estimated total build price of $14,979.04

Got a pic, this must be some bike.  I think I would spend $10K on a new CB1100 before I spent $14K rebuilding one, but thats just me. [and I'm not buying a new CB]

This is where it stands right now:


And where it started:


Thread if you are interested: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=86158.0
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2014, 04:06:52 PM »
No offense intended, but I don't see $6K there?
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2014, 04:17:49 PM »
None taken :)

Some highlights...
$200 for original bike
$400 for moto gp exhaust (not pictured)
$1k in parts from Dime City (acewell gauge, new forks, grips, bars, new controls, tapered bearings, new hub bearings, etc.)
$300 from Hondaman (swing arm rebuild, fuse box, digital start)
$300 for racetech front suspension
$500 for all new powder coating including hubs
$300 for Bike Bandit for OEM small parts
$200 ish for all new stainless bolts and nuts
$200 for some chrome plating
$300 keyless push button digital start system
$200 for new stainless steel spokes (not pictured)

And most recent was a $350 Yoshi B grind cam (not pictured)

There is some more stuff but that is a good chunk :)
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2014, 04:21:52 PM »
Thanks for posting your numbers. I knew that I spent "too much" on my CB400F, but I didn't know a better way to get one in the condition that I wanted. It looks like I'm not alone on that.

lamillertime: Nice bike!

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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2014, 04:47:29 PM »
I have learned my lesson.  Take your original budget and multiply by factor of 2 or 3 depending on what you are working on.  Those small things are quite expensive.

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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2014, 05:18:24 PM »
I got my 72 CB 750 from a guy who was leaving town in a hurry for $150.00.  I have about $1000.00 into it now.  Recycled everything I could.  Fenders were painted because of dents and rust.  Still need to have swingarm rebuilt and new shocks and wheel bearings.  But like Lucky said new bike parts are very expensive. 

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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2014, 06:16:42 PM »
Ha! Classic rookie mistake of making the feeble attempt to tally your receipts!   ;D

Do you like to punch yourself in the nuts repeatedly as a hobby in your spare time?
I have two 500's (one of which started as an incomplete basketcase) that I am aiming to return to completely original & roadworthy condition; and a 550F that I've made entirely from parts mostly bought one at a time off ebay. I joined ebay and started buying SOHCfour parts december 2012. I could go in to the archives and add up how much I've spent over the last 14 months ... I can think of thousands of dollars worth just adding up the main parts like $900 on carbys, $400 for an engine(from local wrecker), $800 for tank/covers respray, around $400 for a main frame shipped from US... you get the idea, but I really don't want to know! I am not a masochist!! This hobby can be fun and pain free if you carefully throw away all of your reciepts- I prefer not to even look at them!
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A starter clutch thread:
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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2014, 06:27:55 PM »
imabass, you beat me too it, I was thinking the same thing.

There used to be an old mechanics rule of thumb, and that was to estimate whatever you thought it would take you to finish the job, then multiply it by 2.4, and thats how long it would realistically take.

I.e. Estimate 1 day, and it would take ~ 2.4 days give or take.

I think the same could be said about resto costs. Whatever you think, then x $2.4

In the end would i do it again??? Absolutely yes. There is something sweet for the soul when your tinkering in the shed putting it together & getting in the 'zone' (away from screeming kids), polishing up a part, watching something come to life, starting up a freshly rebuilt motor for the first time, smelling new gaskets bedding in, rebuilding gunky brakes that never worked and seeing them work for the first time. You guys know what i'm talking about. The return is more satisfaction than monetary, and if your not driven by money, then you enjoy it all the more. Not just that, but knowing you saved another CB from the scrap heap maked it feel all the better, because your've put it back on the road, where it belongs. One bike on the road is worth 2 in the shed.

Throw away those depressing receipts and enjoy the bike. There are much worst things one could waste money on. Furthermore, the bike returns all that back to you everytime you ride, because you built it.

As most would probably agree. I think these machines are worth it, and the beauty of it is, they are a peice of history and are not going anywhere, so you can improve them 'over time'. The longer you keep them, do a bit here, do a bit there, and its gets better and better, like fine wine. Why rush...

Did heaps myself, all the motor & all bike assy, rebuilt brakes, all electrics, rebuilt the gauges, etc. The only thing I outsourced was frame for powdercoating and tank and sidecovers for professional painting & extremely happy with those outcomes. New HM341's were a killer, but there on now.

In Oz, we get ripped off for a lot of things. Largely because most just accept paying for what the seller wants. I've been watching the cost of these parts continue to climb, mainly NOS stuff. I think sellers see a hidden goldmine in old CB's resto's and certainly taken advantage of it. On the road, these bikes do turn heads though, so perhaps there is some value in that.

I see CB750's on ebay for ~$3K in the USA, for the same bike here double it, then add some. Get the picture??? Not sure what makes us Australian's so special. Maybe our CB's have some more gold in them or something. Ever thought about getting into the lucrative import business .....?.

If your taking on such a project, start up an excell spreadsheet from the beginning. Every time you spend, add it to the sheet. The total column of the speadsheet doesn't lie. After the project, delete the spreadsheet :)

Chroming here costs heaps too.

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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2014, 08:39:10 PM »
I'm feeling a little better, knowing I'm not the only person going nuts on my build. I have also done most of my own work, rebuilding the motor, asembly, etc. Hondaman rebuilt my carbs and swingarm for me, while he was doing the head porting. And the machine work has probably cost a grand. So did the front/rear wheel/tire assemblies-new rims, s.s. spokes, new tires, trueing/balancing. The custom oil tank didn't help keep costs down, either. But, my original goal was to build a cafe racer, while learning more about motorcycles- and a learning experience it has been. This forum has really helped with that!
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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2014, 09:28:44 PM »
I'm glad I didn't read a thread like this before I dove into this hobby. Otherwise I would have taken up fishing or maybe bird watching.

I admit my first project was about $1K more than I hoped to spend, but I still got it done for around $3k which includes the cost of the bike. I did do everything myself except the powder coating so there were no labor costs and the engine rebuild wasn't that bad since I resisted the temptation to do any major upgrades. Cheaped out on a few things but it's holding together pretty well. I guess my point is that as long as you can be satisfied with a stock engine and a non-professional paint job, you don't have to spend a fortune. Of course, I guess the main message in the thread is that very few are satisfied with a stock engine and "good enough" parts. :)


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Project #2 - http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=127364.0  Something different
Project #3 - http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=123831.0  Long and Low

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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2014, 09:54:28 PM »
I'm glad I didn't read a thread like this before I dove into this hobby. Otherwise I would have taken up fishing or maybe bird watching.

I admit my first project was about $1K more than I hoped to spend, but I still got it done for around $3k which includes the cost of the bike. I did do everything myself except the powder coating so there were no labor costs and the engine rebuild wasn't that bad since I resisted the temptation to do any major upgrades. Cheaped out on a few things but it's holding together pretty well. I guess my point is that as long as you can be satisfied with a stock engine and a non-professional paint job, you don't have to spend a fortune. Of course, I guess the main message in the thread is that very few are satisfied with a stock engine and "good enough" parts. :)



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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2014, 10:14:28 PM »
You guys are lucky your wives don't read this forum! :-) The way I see it; you only live once and as long as you live within your means, what does it matter?
It's not like we do this hobbie to make money.
I don't want to know what I've put into my bike but I've enjoyed every minute of it.

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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2014, 10:18:46 PM »
... Full disclosure mode with the wife ... ?    :o



Never!

I read a report on the internet that said women are much better at embezzling money than men are.


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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2014, 02:13:36 AM »
Passion can cost!
I have spent much more than I planned 3-4 years ago when I brought my old CB750 back home from a barn it had been sleeping since end of 1990. This is 2:nd time I spend plenty of money on the bike. First time was 1983-1984 when I finally understood I could have got a brand new Kawasaki 1000J. (Selling the bike for small money + repair upgrade cost)

It is easier to spend if the bike has a history in your life.  I told myself that buying new tank from Yamiya750 was horrible money. Now 2 years later I have tank and side covers in correct paint, a really good buy.

I would also spend money on a new 4-4 ex set if they could be used on a tuned engine, replace the 4-1. Exact as OEM but hi-flow headers.

I got to calculate exact money when I have bought parts that will not be used. Find the value so the insurance will be correct. If stolen or wrecked I want the money back.
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Re: How much do I have in this thing? OMG!
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2014, 11:49:19 AM »
You guys are lucky your wives don't read this forum!

All I do is say "hey honey, I'm ordering some more parts for my 750. Anything you need for your bike, we'll save on shipping if we order in one go."
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