Topic: Subway...Eat Fresh!....Chemicals

[AJK]

Butter vs margarine?? That'll throw a spanner in the works for sure.

We all know you only eat butter. Even flys wont touch margarine! Its only 1 atomic structure off paint.

[TwoTired]

Hah, lived to 40yrs eh??

Here is a scripture from the book of psalms

Psalm 90:10

"The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away."

There you go fellas. Either 70 or 80 yrs before you kick the bucket, and this is *old* information, a lot older than a couple of hundred years ago.

I was initially sent to Lutheran school for the first four years in my "formative youth".  This is where I recall being told of very long life spans of our ancestors.  Our shortened life spans are (reportedly) continuing punishment for Adam eating an apple and other subsequent sins.  Before that, we could have been as eternal as God, our proclaimed creator.  We've been paying for Adam's and our sins ever since.  ...or so I was taught.
Bible quotes?

"ADAM (930)
Genesis 5:5 (KJV) And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

METHUSELAH (969)
Genesis 5:27 (KJV) And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. "

As time went on, lifespans were shortened, either by God's wrath, or a polluted gene pool, take your pick.

"Consider this: If Genesis 6:3 did not exist in the Bible, it is still evident that man's lifespan was shortened from:

    being infinite,
    to about 900 years,
    to about 120 years,
    to about 70 to 80 years

...based on the genealogical record found in the Bible. "

ref: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_God_shorten_the_human_lifespan


Then there is science...
Your expected optimal lifespan has a root encoding in your genes.  Yes, there are aging genes that you inherited from your parents, carry with you while you live, and pass on to your progeny.  Geneticists are working to enable changing those genes.

http://io9.com/345728/geneticists-discover-a-way-to-extend-lifespans-to-800-years

800 years?  I expect suicide rates would preclude that.  And mankind has a poor track record for "humane" or mutually beneficial treatment while competing for limited available resources.

I'm thinking even 500 candles on the birthday cake would probably be enough to burn your house down with you in it.   

Perhaps there is some eventuality in the Highlander stories that, in the end, there can be only one?  No, we CAN'T just all get along.  Never in the history of mankind.  Is that last cup of water for your son or mine?

[krusty]

i guess this is where i introduce the butter verses margarine variable?

Please don't complicate my life any more than it is. I have both in the fridge and I'm never real sure which to grab.
It usually comes down to butter for toast and marj for sandwiches.

[AJK]

This might help make your choice easier

http://www.drgourmet.com/askdrgourmet/foods/buttervmargarine.shtml#.Uvvt7FVPLGs

PS: yes TT, pretty much agree with all that. I've read it all as well. Some have access to life extension tech, but i think they will always be limited to 120yrs, just as the limit was imposed after the flood.

[fendersrule]

I stopped eating at Subway when they've started stacking meat .003mm high. You can use the height of the meat to set the valves on a CB450.

Plus I got tired of eating what seemed to be very "plain" bread, and just about a whole loaf of it per sand which too. I love me some good bread, but this stuff isn't good enough to eat that much of.

Plenty of better choices than Subway. Try your local sand which shop.

[dhall57]

Got a Subway not far from work, so I've got in a habit of eating there couple times or more a week. After hearing all of this I think they will see me less often.

[dave500]

i hope someone opens a "beerway"around the corner from me.

[Duke McDukiedook]

I can tell the difference between margarine and butter
I can say Saskatchewan without starting to stutter

[Duke McDukiedook]

Better living through Chemistry!! 

[ofreen]

Basically, that is true. 

[MRieck]

Much easier figuring out what to eat rather than who to marry.

[TwoTired]

Better living through Chemistry!! 

Basically, that is true.

Confirmed.

We literally cannot live without chemistry and chemical interaction, whether we understand the complexities, or not.

I was humored by an earlier comment about not being able to read labeling.
Chemistry has a parallel language, about as complex as math, and medical terms.  These languages are used to remove the ambiguity in English or common language, as well as make it more precise as to exactly what is being referenced.

Would you eat a product with the list of ingredients presented below?


See: http://io9.com/what-if-natural-products-came-with-a-list-of-ingredient-1503320184


Complaining about the words used in labeling is like complaining of one's own ignorance.
There are lot's of languages I don't know.  But, I don't whine about not understanding Swahili, Chinese, Russian, etc.  I figure it's my own fault I never learned them.  Besides, English is hard enough keep track of and understand in own right!

[JeffSTL]

Better living through Chemistry!! 

Basically, that is true.

Confirmed.

We literally cannot live without chemistry and chemical interaction, whether we understand the complexities, or not.

I was humored by an earlier comment about not being able to read labeling.
Chemistry has a parallel language, about as complex as math, and medical terms.  These languages are used to remove the ambiguity in English or common language, as well as make it more precise as to exactly what is being referenced.

Would you eat a product with the list of ingredients presented below?


See: http://io9.com/what-if-natural-products-came-with-a-list-of-ingredient-1503320184


Complaining about the words used in labeling is like complaining of one's own ignorance.
There are lot's of languages I don't know.  But, I don't whine about not understanding Swahili, Chinese, Russian, etc.  I figure it's my own fault I never learned them.  Besides, English is hard enough keep track of and understand in own right!

While this poster series is interesting, I think it completely misses the point of the OP. The ingredients we see on the packages of processed foods are things that are added to the product, such as, the rubber ingredient they were using in Subway bread. If a banana was labeled with its ingredients at the supermarket, the list would contain only "banana." The "ingredients" listed in those natural food info graphics or the chemical make ups of the food item not the ingredients used to make them.

[MikeKato]

My sister pointed out I've been eating Yoga mat sandwiches daily for at least the last ten years with the bread I've been buying from the grocery store.  So many conflicting studies,that reverse their recommendations every few years (Coffee,eggs,red wine....) that it's probably the stress of keeping informed that does the most damage. But In 5 years they'll be telling us about some study of a chemical that's released when you get stressed out that's actually great for you.

I'm going to the bar for beer and cigs;true story,I really am.
 

[Retro Rocket]

Better living through Chemistry!! 

Basically, that is true.

Confirmed.

We literally cannot live without chemistry and chemical interaction, whether we understand the complexities, or not.

I was humored by an earlier comment about not being able to read labeling.
Chemistry has a parallel language, about as complex as math, and medical terms.  These languages are used to remove the ambiguity in English or common language, as well as make it more precise as to exactly what is being referenced.

Would you eat a product with the list of ingredients presented below?


See: http://io9.com/what-if-natural-products-came-with-a-list-of-ingredient-1503320184


Complaining about the words used in labeling is like complaining of one's own ignorance.
There are lot's of languages I don't know.  But, I don't whine about not understanding Swahili, Chinese, Russian, etc.  I figure it's my own fault I never learned them.  Besides, English is hard enough keep track of and understand in own right!

While this poster series is interesting, I think it completely misses the point of the OP. The ingredients we see on the packages of processed foods are things that are added to the product, such as, the rubber ingredient they were using in Subway bread. If a banana was labeled with its ingredients at the supermarket, the list would contain only "banana." The "ingredients" listed in those natural food info graphics or the chemical make ups of the food item not the ingredients used to make them.

Exactly..... The banana comes in its natural form and nothing is added to it that wasn't formed in nature, massive difference to the suggestions being made above...

Complaining about the words used in labeling is like complaining of one's own ignorance.

Really ? That is ignorant in itself, natural products produced in nature are not "made" or "added too" using these added chemicals, once again, any rational thinking person knows this, although I recently saw a program on TV that had a guy interviewing US kids about fruit and vegetables, even milk, when asked where they thought they came from nearly all of them said the shop, only a handful of them new milk came from a cow , most thought it was somehow made....   We have , by law, a very specific labeling system in Australia, guides with information about the additives are easy to get hold of and websites like "choice" have very thorough articles written for consumers so they can make informative choices, even calorie counts are on the labeling and recommended daily intake. Your "assumption" about the body not knowing the difference between natural and man made chemicals is pure fantasy, whilst it may be true that some man made chemicals mimics nature closely enough to "fool" the body, something a simple as refined sugar is processed {or not} completely differently than natural forming sugars in nature, thats a FACT, thats why processed sugars are one of the biggest problems in society today, basically, the body recognizes the fact that these sugars are processed and stores it rather than breaking it down and either using it or passing it through like it does with natural sugars. It doesn't surprise me that the fast food capitol of the world doesn't really care what it eats, its never been about nutrition,  its all about money....

[333]

Yoga mats aside, there are other things we should worry about.  My quest for about a year, now, is to rid my intake of High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS).  And here's why;

https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

Followed by;

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/this-is-your-brain-on-sugar-ucla-233992.aspx

More;

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-01/fructose-tied-to-obesity-as-study-shows-it-doesn-t-cut-appetite.html

And the kicker;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601831.html

[Retro Rocket]

I would hope that those who profess to the solitary benefits of "naturally grown" or "organic" do realize that the very water table or air these goodies of nature grow in, are themselves tainted quite heavily.

Simply by not adding something to grown produce does not make it better. Often these agricultural additives are used to "prevent naturally occurring bacteria". If I eat the deer I hunt does that make it okay? What if they ate from the Azaelas next door before I whacked them with my bow and arrow?

Curious...

Some weird  examples there and the water thing would be in the US I assume..? Coal seam gas contamination?  I would rather have fresh produce with a small amount of residual contamination than anything either genetically modified of covered in chemicals. What are you on about "naturally occurring bacteria"..? We are talking about plastic products being added to food and other dangerous, cancer causing agents and toxins, these are usually added to prolong shelf life, speed up the cooking process and are usually cheaper than natural solutions, all back to money. I noticed that your dairy industry still used antibiotics and bovine growth hormones in the milk producing cows to up production volume, all banned here and have been for a very long time..Its not too hard to find good food if you know what you are looking for.  Its also not too hard to grow your own, there's a lot of guys on the forum that have extensive food producing gardens...

[MRieck]

I can only imagine what containment's the vegetables, meats etc in England contained at the peak of the Industrial Revolution. But those people ate crap as was pointed out before. And....they worked innumerable hours selling everything from water cress to individual matches to $hit shifted from the sewers. I'd rather eat Subway 3 times a day to what they ate....or were lucky enough to eat. Don't #$%* to much.

[dave500]

not everything natural is good for you,like snake bites,or drinking sea water.

[scottly]

the water thing would be in the US I assume..?

Hey Mick, naturally occurring arsenic in the groundwater is a concern throughout the southwestern US...

[MRieck]

not everything natural is good for you,like snake bites,or drinking sea water.

...or urine...."but it's sterile and I like the taste"  "Dodge Ball"

[Retro Rocket]

the water thing would be in the US I assume..?

Hey Mick, naturally occurring arsenic in the groundwater is a concern throughout the southwestern US...

I've read about the contamination from Coal seam gas {fracking} as well Scott, not to mention the hexavalent chromium contamination of drinking water Erin Brockovich so famously exposed...

[scottly]

I used to live about 30 miles from the area Brockovich brought to light, but never had a clue until I saw the movie a few years ago!

[LesterPiglet]

I've just watched some youtube about sinkholes. In one case the cause was some company storing hazardous chemicals in old mines or caverns underneath a swamp.  The caverns started swallowing the swamp releasing dangerous gasses. Wonder where this swamp water will end up.

[dave500]

in your wine lester!