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Vintage reg-rec ?
« on: March 16, 2014, 06:16:43 AM »
Had this around for several years came with parts lot. Any ideas? Worth anything? Worth trying?


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2014, 05:22:33 AM »
Junk?


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2014, 05:58:28 AM »
no way is it junk. If it's still good find an appropriate use, or ebay it. Might not be good for an SOHC. and FYI, this is not a rectifier, just a regulator of sorts, but odd that it has attachments for bat and coil on the same device. Interesting setup. If your google fu is good you might find some specifics on the actual schematic for it or how to test it.

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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2014, 06:27:22 AM »
Guys, it's neither a regulator nor rectifier... Here's the scoobie:  http://vwjudsonregister.tripod.com/see-dee_instructions.htm  RR
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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2014, 06:36:59 AM »
Thanks guys! If I told you how many times I've searched and found nothing you would know how poor my computer skills are. Bought to cb750 and bunch of parts several years ago only thing that wasn't relevant to them in lot


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2014, 06:41:33 AM »
Looking back @my pic box does say cycle


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2014, 10:15:13 AM »
Transistorized ignition!  The great grandfather of the HondaMan Box.  :D

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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2014, 10:19:25 AM »
So if used the points are used as a switch no spark?

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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2014, 10:27:04 AM »
Essentially.  Takes the points from "high current" to "low current" (relative terms of course) which extends the life considerably.

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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2014, 10:32:12 AM »
I'll have to try it


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2014, 10:33:45 AM »
Worth a shot for sure!  If it works you'll have some worry free points. :D

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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2014, 10:40:44 AM »
Just picked up new modern reg-rec. I can use them with this


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2014, 10:49:06 AM »
I'd like to know how this thing can work.    Any chance of a peek inside it?

Is See/Dee a "clever" name for a CD (capacitive Discharge) unit?  If so, it would be pretty nice.  If not, it won't do a thing to help point life, as the wiring diagram still shows using the points for a power path in each coil's primary.  To get spark you must have high input voltage and low current for a short duration (CD), or longer duration low voltage and high current injection into the coil primary.

If the unit relies on the later, it is pretty much worthless regarding an actual functional aid.

If it is some sort of CD, be very wary about the Capacitors inside, which in all likelihood are in a failed condition (or very soon will be) due to age when power is applied to them again.
I wouldn't put power on it without looking inside first.  If there are capacitors, test them before applying power as a failed capacitor can kill associated transistor devices, depending on the specific circuit design.

If you let the smoke out, the transistor must be replaced, as well as any failed capacitors.
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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2014, 11:25:58 AM »


Workin on opening it up now


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2014, 11:35:05 AM »
No can do on seeing inside its sealed


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2014, 11:40:01 AM »
Must b very rare!


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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2014, 12:37:06 PM »
The only way to figure out what it does now is too probe the terminals, or melt out the potting compound.  It won't be repairable.

I'm pretty skeptical about it.  Clearly it uses the points somehow as a trigger.  But with the points open (fire), the unit can't drive current through the coil, which means it is still relying on the coil's field collapse to make spark voltage, just as it does when wired up in stock configuration.
What this means is that when the points are closed, the points still provide the charging current to build the coils magnetic field, which heats the point contacts.  So, it is not clear what benefit the unit provides.
...Unless, it is some sort of CD unit.  But then, I'm still uncertain how the unit could drive high voltage into a coil when the point contacts are open.

But, then therein may be the reason they marketed the unit as See/Dee rather than CD.  It's not CD either.

I remain skeptical.  Hit it with power and see if the black stuff oozes out.  If you probe it, beware that some actual CD units poke out 300-400 voltage spikes, which could damage a common DMM.


Perhaps it is a voltage booster, or DC-DC converter.  Battery volts in and constant 15V out.  Raising the driven voltage into the coils, would make a bigger mag field and therefore higher voltage spark.  But, that wouldn't benefit the points, rather it would heat them up more and wear them faster.

I will caution that DC-DC converters may do their job with oscillators and transformers or Capacitors, (or both).  If there is an electrolytic inside, they need power applied regularly to stay "formed".  Idle storage and they essentially short themselves out, and or change their operating value, which may be harmful to transistors also in the circuit.

But, at this point, it will either work or it won't.
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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2014, 12:56:20 PM »
this transistor ignision types..use a different coil type with low ohm...knickers(breakers) vill burn up vith this low ohm type,,,so use a transistor to breake it can give a stronger ignision..witaut to burn the kontaktors.(.mine old system have a coil  and elektronik box..)..but have never used it..(mine stock honda works so vell)
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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2014, 01:25:34 PM »
Man I have a lot of talen in a lot of areas,just ask me I'll tell ya, but electronics is not one of them. I don't know if you guys are tellin me the truth or quoting lines from Back to the future. Flux copasitor and space modulator and such. Lol. I be had this thing sittin around for long time. If anyone wants it its theirs. Tim

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Re: Vintage reg-rec ?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2014, 02:55:53 PM »
And if they contain electrolytic capacitors like Lloyd pointed out if they are from the 70s or 80s they are suspect anyway.
With time the paste dries up whether they get used or not and only get more suspect with time.


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