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Ignition Coils info CB500 w/Dynatek
« on: June 28, 2017, 03:57:19 PM »
Hello I need info for Ignition Coils for my 73 CB500k w/Dynatek ignition. I have no coils now, Ive seen installing aftermarket coils and GL1000 GL1100. Need a little help deciding. Also what about the spark plug caps, stock? not sure what the resistance is.

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Re: Ignition Coils info CB500 w/Dynatek
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 04:18:45 PM »
GL coils are 3ohm or less, I think.  Anyway, they are 6V coils, that run on 12v for starting, using a drop resistor for run time.
Dyna says it can handle 3 ohm coils.  But, you don't really need that.  5 ohm coils are what Honda used.  And to minimize current draw and taxing the alternator (keeping the battery charged)  You should find 5 ohm coils to install.

The US market had 10K ohm resistor caps on 500 and 550s.   Very hard to find now.  Only 5K ohm seems to be offered.  But you can use DR7EA NGK plugs (5K internal resistor) to restore the 10Kohm per spark plug lead resistance.

FYI, the higher resistance slows the coil's drain rate at discharge, lengthening the spark a bit for a more complete burn in this engine.  And it reduces some of the current, which helps this hotter heat range spark plug last longer.

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Re: Ignition Coils info CB500 w/Dynatek
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2017, 07:25:49 AM »
Thanks for replying  :)
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Re: Ignition Coils info CB500 w/Dynatek
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2017, 07:53:41 AM »
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FYI, the higher resistance slows the coil's drain rate at discharge, lengthening the spark a bit for a more complete burn in this engine.
FYI, that remains to be seen. I've asked three parties (science, mecs in the field and a publisher of automotive technical literature) and they're still studying it. ;) No wonder, they have to come with ideas themselves as there's no mentioning of this effect in the automotive technical literature and yes, I have searched.
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And it reduces some of the current, which helps this hotter heat range spark plug last longer.
Some? How much is that? Will we notice 'some'?
There isn't a single SOHC4 dealer - and we have quite a few in Holland, UK and Germany - that sells 10KΩ sparkplugcaps. The advice I got from Honda back then (80s), select 5KΩ and you'll be fine. Is there anything against using both resistor caps and resistor plugs? Yes, resistors eventually can fail, both in caps and in plugs (some riders for this reason won't have resistor plugs anymore) and where 5KΩ is fine to have a good working ignition, you would add a possible extra source for trouble. For what? A longer duration? How much longer and even then, will we ever notice it?
Now I'm at it, some more about this feared drawing of 3Ω coils compared to standard 4,7Ω coils. Elsewhere I have posted my results when I took the effort to actually measure something (was I really the first?). Ofcourse readings fluctuate due to the nature of the dynamic system, but with my 3Ω coils, without even a ballast resistor, I measured an average 3A at idle and iaround 2A average when revved. In total that is. Not much to be afraid of, now is it? For those that have 3Ω coils and, in spite of my reassuring measurements, still fear extra burning of the points (on mine it did not happen, a bit to my surprise I must confess) in the pic a simple scheme to add a ballistor resistor bypassed at starting. That resistor, some wire and a diode is all what it takes. I myself had this arrangement long time ago but after one terminal of that 1R2Ω resistor broke of, I never bothered to repair it anymore. Again, I would have expected more pitting of the points, but it didn't happen. This is the practice I experienced in real life. Do with it what you like. And why not do some measurements yourself? Every time someone, no matter who, 'presents' a 'picture' of a longer spark duration, there will be a similar answer. Not that I deny the possibility - I'm open to it - but sofar we have seen no proof. Please surprise us and show us the picture, so to say.
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Re: Ignition Coils info CB500 w/Dynatek
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2017, 04:34:38 PM »
Would there be any advantage installing say,
 Dyna 3 ohm vs Dyna 5 ohm vs stock coils, as far as spark output.
I have an over kill Shorai battery with plenty of reserve power, so a 3 ohm coil may not be a problem draining battery, plus the bike very rarely idles.
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Re: Ignition Coils info CB500 w/Dynatek
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2017, 05:06:03 PM »
Would there be any advantage installing say,
 Dyna 3 ohm vs Dyna 5 ohm vs stock coils, as far as spark output.
I have an over kill Shorai battery with plenty of reserve power, so a 3 ohm coil may not be a problem draining battery, plus the bike very rarely idles.

On the stock engine, no.  The spark voltage developed is determined by the spark gap regardless of how much voltage the coil is capable of developing on the bench.  Are you increasing the GAP?  If so why?

The battery has a limited storage capacity.  All batteries do.  During periods of idle or near idle, the alternator seldom has enough power to charge the battery, so it depletes.  Idle or operate at low RPM long enough, and any battery will deplete if the charging system can't keep up with the bike loads, (which you haven't specified, btw) .

There have been many posts where 500/550 owners had batteries dying because of 3 ohm coils and dyna ignition triggers.   

Dyna does not recommend 3 ohm coils for the CB500 or 550.

Best of luck!

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Re: Ignition Coils info CB500 w/Dynatek
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2017, 05:14:59 PM »
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Thanks you
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