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Offline sanddigger

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OIL ?
« on: February 25, 2014, 08:15:22 AM »
Hi,  Guys   I have a Question ?  What is the BEST OIL to put
in a 37 year old Hondamatic CB 750a  it only 37 years young
Thanks aka Joe ::) :)

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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 08:22:01 AM »
Popcorn oil of course but extra virgin also works well...Larry

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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 08:31:29 AM »
+1 extra virgins are my fav!
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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 08:57:37 AM »
Sandy...welcome to the boards. The guys are just kiddin' ya' as there are so many oil threads around here it has become a joke. Do a search on oil and you can be reading for days. You may want to find an owners manual or there is a place on the boards here you can download a service manual. I do not have the automatic, but believe you would be talking a 10w40 motorcycle oil. The search will tell you what you need to know. Again, welcome and let us know how you come out.
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1970 CB750K0 - Candy Ruby Red
1973 CB750K3 - Candy Bacchus Olive or Sunflake Orange
1970 Chevy Chevelle SS396 - Cortez Silver
1976 GL1000 Sulphur Yellow

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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 08:57:54 AM »
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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 10:58:54 AM »
1978 CB750A (upgrading very, very slowly)

Past bikes - Honda: SL350, CX650C, CB900C, CB1000C, CM450A; Kawasaki: several 1972 750 H2's; Suzuki: TC90J.

Bikes I want: CX650ED, a mid-sized japanese V-twin with ABS.

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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 04:06:54 PM »
I only use locally sourced oil to reduce my carbon foot print.

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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 08:56:50 PM »
     My two cents. Over 25 years of running Hondamatics. Engineering background. I've tested just about everything that's out there on my Hondamatic 4 cylinder. Not quite what you're looking for on the street as I bracket race Hondamatics. I've done a lot of A-B-A testing in similar weather conditions (density altitude) checking ET and MPH. If an oil is better, your MPH usually improves. If it's worse, just the opposite. I've tried single weight, multiple weights, motorcycle oils, and car oils.
     Basically, synthetic oils and synthetic blends are too slippery. The torque converter is a fluid coupling. The slicker the oil, the greater the slippage through the torque converter. Your power is reduced somewhat. The ability to handle greater heat/oil temperatures may be an offset for street running. Your gas mileage should also suffer a little with synthetics slipping more.
     High viscosity single weight oils have a very narrow range of oil temperature that the bike would like. Again, not what you would want on the street. I ended up narrowing it down to multi-weight mineral based oils. Not a huge difference between brands. I got the best numbers with a 20W-40 oil that is no longer produced. I'm from New England, so I don't see a lot of very hot weather. Worked better than 0W-X, 5W-X, or 10W-X oils.(X could be 20, 30, or 40) Very small differences that cost might influence.
     Heat becomes a very important issue for a Hondamatic. (especially if you ride in a hot temperature area.) Mineral based oils can take just so much heat before you'll get a viscosity change. Basically you make the oil a lot thinner. Once that happens, the bike slows down as the oil slips more going through the torque converter. The oil basically becomes junk. Changing the oil is the only way to get the bike running "normally" again. I run an aftermarket external oil cooler until the air temperatures get below 50 degrees F. When it cools off as my season ends, I'll block off the airflow through the external oil cooler.
     There are expensive racing synthetics that work better the hotter the oil gets. The price and availability makes it not a street option. Bill Benton could help you with more information on the exotic stuff.

     Everybody has opinions on this subject. Very few have done proper testing with numbers to back up their opinions. The best oil for you is the one that you convince yourself works best. I'm just offering my opinions of the dozens of oils that I've tried to get the maximum out of my Hondamatic.

     Oil additives for new engine break ins and other special functions I haven't tested for. Let others offer their opinions for that stuff. ::)
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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 09:46:04 PM »
I thought the best oil would be what Mr Honda recommends.
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1976 CB750F1
1978 CB750F2
1972 CB350F
1961 C100 Cub
1962 C100 Cub
1959 C76
1963 C92
1964 C95
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1963 M15D 50cc
1961 250TA Colleda
1961 250TA Colleda x 2 primed ready for paint and assembly
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1977 DT175E x 2
1978 DT125E
1979 DT125F
1976 DT250E
1978 DT250G
1984 FJ1100
1990 FJ1200

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Re: OIL ?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 10:34:46 PM »
Oils recommended by Honda in 1978 aren't being sold today. If you can buy 1978 oil and believe that it's best for your application, buy it.